No existing GM can inherit Franchise Reservation Points

[Reddington]

You move to a different team, you get Bubkis 

[Bish]

Where’s the option of their points transfer with them?

We never discussed them getting nothing.

[dougiejays]

I’m fine with an existing GM getting new points, but not if they take their WHOLE ROSTER with them

[dougiejays]

Nov 18, 2023 20:53:12 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I’m fine with an existing GM getting new points, but not if they take their WHOLE ROSTER with them

It’s the difference between Browns/Ravens or Expos/Nats and a regular GM like Dave Dombriwski who jumps from one team to another.

[CSCommish]

Nov 18, 2023 20:54:23 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Nov 18, 2023 20:53:12 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I’m fine with an existing GM getting new points, but not if they take their WHOLE ROSTER with them

It’s the difference between Browns/Ravens or Expos/Nats and a regular GM like Dave Dombriwski who jumps from one team to another.

I think that's what this poll is asking --- if you MOVE your whole team, do you keep their points or the points you ahd with your old team

[Reddington]

Nov 18, 2023 20:50:22 GMT -5 Bish said:

Where’s the option of their points transfer with them?

We never discussed them getting nothing.

so you would approve of Styro going to LAA and getting 190 points?

[CSCommish]

Nov 18, 2023 21:04:32 GMT -5 Reddington said:

Nov 18, 2023 20:50:22 GMT -5 Bish said:

Where’s the option of their points transfer with them?

We never discussed them getting nothing.

so you would approve of Styro going to LAA and getting 190 points?

might need to make it more clear what the poll is asking.

I don't think anyone has an issue with someone taking over the team. But if someone is to move their entire team over, then that's what this poll is asking. ... Right?

[Bish]

Nov 18, 2023 21:04:32 GMT -5 Reddington said:

Nov 18, 2023 20:50:22 GMT -5 Bish said:

Where’s the option of their points transfer with them?

We never discussed them getting nothing.

so you would approve of Styro going to LAA and getting 190 points?

no

I’m saying his FPR points with Colorado should transfer with him.

Starting out with zero is dumb, but maybe that’s me.

[Bish]

Nov 18, 2023 21:04:08 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Nov 18, 2023 20:54:23 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

It’s the difference between Browns/Ravens or Expos/Nats and a regular GM like Dave Dombriwski who jumps from one team to another.

I think that's what this poll is asking --- if you MOVE your whole team, do you keep their points or the points you ahd with your old team

if this is the case, this poll is poorly worded lol

[CSCommish]

Nov 18, 2023 21:09:19 GMT -5 Bish said:

Nov 18, 2023 21:04:32 GMT -5 Reddington said:

so you would approve of Styro going to LAA and getting 190 points?

no

I’m saying his FPR points with Colorado should transfer with him.

Starting out with zero is dumb, but maybe that’s me.

I'm leaning towards doing that, and "fixing" PHI/SDG, PIT/STL and HOU/PIT FPR's as necessary, but it might mean stoool loses a few reward points, but I think that it will be manageable.

[stooolfan]

Nov 18, 2023 21:15:48 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Nov 18, 2023 21:09:19 GMT -5 Bish said:

no

I’m saying his FPR points with Colorado should transfer with him.

Starting out with zero is dumb, but maybe that’s me.

I'm leaning towards doing that, and "fixing" PHI/SDG, PIT/STL and HOU/PIT FPR's as necessary, but it might mean stoool loses a few reward points, but I think that it will be manageable.

Always out to get me! Chris!

[stooolfan]

Take ‘em all!

[joshsbix]

I think the easiest way to do this is to attach points to each owner unless it isn't worth changing the complete system because moves like this don't happen all that often. I cashed out Houston's points so whatever owner takes over Houston should have their points to use. Just my thoughts. As far as the Stool point situation, I don't know if he ever got to use the RPs in Pittsburgh. If I am wrong, he can clarify, but he wasn't able to get Cutch because whoever owned Pittsburgh before him had used all the points. If this is correct, I don't think he should be penalized for using points in STL.

[bigmark]

Nov 19, 2023 7:35:43 GMT -5 joshsbix said:

I think the easiest way to do this is to attach points to each owner unless it isn't worth changing the complete system because moves like this don't happen all that often. I cashed out Houston's points so whatever owner takes over Houston should have their points to use. Just my thoughts. As far as the Stool point situation, I don't know if he ever got to use the RPs in Pittsburgh. If I am wrong, he can clarify, but he wasn't able to get Cutch because whoever owned Pittsburgh before him had used all the points. If this is correct, I don't think he should be penalized for using points in STL.

this.  Switch everything when a team switch happens. including fpr points

On the 2nd part. They franchised Charlie Morton. The problem is he wouldnt have had those pts.  I'm not coming down on Stool. It just shouldnt have been allowed to happen. As I said from the beginning it should have been reversed and the trades involving the points reversed as well but its too late for that.  

[Danchevy]

Nov 19, 2023 7:35:43 GMT -5 joshsbix said:

I think the easiest way to do this is to attach points to each owner unless it isn't worth changing the complete system because moves like this don't happen all that often. I cashed out Houston's points so whatever owner takes over Houston should have their points to use. Just my thoughts. As far as the Stool point situation, I don't know if he ever got to use the RPs in Pittsburgh. If I am wrong, he can clarify, but he wasn't able to get Cutch because whoever owned Pittsburgh before him had used all the points. If this is correct, I don't think he should be penalized for using points in STL.

It doesnt matter if he didn't get to use the point with that franchise. They were used for the benefit of that franchise and somewhere far down the line it led to the team he currently has. So that idea has no bearing on this situation. That would basically be saying each new GM who takes over a team should get new FPR points which would be a shit show.

[joshsbix]

I understand what you are saying but the point, no pun intended, of the league is to give a real sim that each owner engages with their team. I am not a big point person but I know I would have been pretty disappointed to have been a new owner coming in and not have a shot at McCutchen. Not saying stool is new but we might have a new owner coming in who is young and probably would use all his points to get ohtani but he won't have that chance.

I wouldn't have used Houston's points if I had any idea Pittsburgh would come open. If we get a new owner for Houston, they are out of luck? Maybe there is a medium point?

If it is about the franchise fine but to me it is about the experience for each owner.

Now that I think about it, I might be a good example.  I believe the points I cashed out we're the first points I ever had access to with the multiple teams I owned.  I don't need more, I am just saying it would be pretty disappointing if I were more of a reserve minded owner.  

[dougiejays]

Nov 19, 2023 12:54:47 GMT -5 Danchevy said:

Nov 19, 2023 7:35:43 GMT -5 joshsbix said:

I think the easiest way to do this is to attach points to each owner unless it isn't worth changing the complete system because moves like this don't happen all that often. I cashed out Houston's points so whatever owner takes over Houston should have their points to use. Just my thoughts. As far as the Stool point situation, I don't know if he ever got to use the RPs in Pittsburgh. If I am wrong, he can clarify, but he wasn't able to get Cutch because whoever owned Pittsburgh before him had used all the points. If this is correct, I don't think he should be penalized for using points in STL.

It doesnt matter if he didn't get to use the point with that franchise. They were used for the benefit of that franchise and somewhere far down the line it led to the team he currently has. So that idea has no bearing on this situation. That would basically be saying each new GM who takes over a team should get new FPR points which would be a shit show.

I think this nails it on the head. It isn’t about new owners…sometimes you take over a team that’s used up its resos, and tough luck. It’s about making sure each separate franchise is operating under the same basic rules.

[dougiejays]

FWIW I still think the poll question is worded terribly

[Danchevy]

Nov 19, 2023 13:58:11 GMT -5 joshsbix said:

I understand what you are saying but the point, no pun intended, of the league is to give a real sim that each owner engages with their team. I am not a big point person but I know I would have been pretty disappointed to have been a new owner coming in and not have a shot at McCutchen. Not saying stool is new but we might have a new owner coming in who is young and probably would use all his points to get ohtani but he won't have that chance.

I wouldn't have used Houston's points if I had any idea Pittsburgh would come open. If we get a new owner for Houston, they are out of luck? Maybe there is a medium point?

If it is about the franchise fine but to me it is about the experience for each owner.

Now that I think about it, I might be a good example.  I believe the points I cashed out we're the first points I ever had access to with the multiple teams I owned.  I don't need more, I am just saying it would be pretty disappointing if I were more of a reserve minded owner.  

At this point for the league that idea of franchise reservation points is almost all but gone. They were something given out day 1 and for expansion owners and that's it. If you join late and don't have points, then again you are inheriting the team that at one point benefitted from those reservations and in turn led to the team you are currently taking over...

[joshsbix]

You are right...and at the same time another team was prevented from getting a player.

[bigmark]

Nov 19, 2023 21:57:00 GMT -5 joshsbix said:

You are right...and at the same time another team was prevented from getting a player.

What team? Pitts claimed Morton. Then claimed the remaining fpr pts as rp points. They missed one franchise guy back in the 60s? So did a lot of other newer GMs due to previous GMs. That's irrelevant to this when it comes to switching entire teams I'd say.