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Post by K. on Jul 22, 2013 9:51:50 GMT -5
How will those be decided upon?
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 22, 2013 10:35:34 GMT -5
How will those be decided upon? Good question, K. I am actually planning on doing that, stadium data and weather data this week. I am planning on basing market size on population, circa 1953; fan loyalty on average % of stadium capacity between 1950-1952; merchandising income on a combination of market size and fan loyalty. |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 22, 2013 13:06:43 GMT -5
I may also look at Broadcasting Revenue as well.
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Post by K. on Jul 22, 2013 13:55:09 GMT -5
I may also look at Broadcasting Revenue as well. BC depends on recent success and market size in game, so that might be a good starting point. |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 22, 2013 14:06:13 GMT -5
Yea, I don't want the Yankees (even if it's my team) to end up to 50M BC revenue (over time) and have 140M overall revenues. I am hoping that the overall maximum revenue a team could achieve is 100-105M and not have to do luxury tax stuff.
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Post by Darryl on Jul 23, 2013 12:09:34 GMT -5
This is a very important decision in the league. The initial market sizes are one of the biggest flaws in the GABL
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 23, 2013 17:36:35 GMT -5
This is a very important decision in the league. The initial market sizes are one of the biggest flaws in the GABL Agreed. Will post something this week. |
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Post by K. on Jul 24, 2013 5:37:20 GMT -5
This is a very important decision in the league. The initial market sizes are one of the biggest flaws in the GABL What were the initial market sizes of the GABL? |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 24, 2013 10:16:56 GMT -5
This is a very important decision in the league. The initial market sizes are one of the biggest flaws in the GABL What were the initial market sizes of the GABL? They were likely accurate. Just b/c some teams have been ran into the ground, doesn't mean it should have been done differently. To me, there are two ways to look at this. 1. We strive for realism, assign market sizes and stuff accurately, and simply deal with the fact that the league will almost always have some teams that struggle financially to compete. 2. We take away the financial advantage, and have maybe 2-3 classes of market sizes, etc. That keeps things more on par between the top financial teams, and the lesser teams. I think there are 5 levels of sizes. We could simply assign those levels based solely on 2-4, and ignore the 1 and 5 levels. If the Commish cannot manipulate the game to not have markets grow or fall into 5 or 1, it would just have to be adjusted manually. My recommendation would be to adjust them back to our scope at the end/beginning of each season. Something like that. But if we're striving for realism, it's just something you have to deal with. Because the difference between what the Yankees and the TB Rays make in a year is probably more drastic than any difference in this game. |
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Post by K. on Jul 24, 2013 14:07:29 GMT -5
That was what I was gettign at: where they realistic and the game evolved in such a way that problems arose or where they incorrect from the start? Because any realism aimed set up and any setup based on that for years will run into such issues. Teams do get run into the ground while good long term GMs can create even bigger edges over others. Give a franchise revolving door average management and a big market still would not save it. Let someone who is very skilled at the game manage a small franchise for 3 decades and it probably will be a force to be reckoned with.
That all is very hard to combat longterm unless you're not aiming at a realistic setup. On top of that most leagues allow market upgrades by building a new stadium and then there's the game that also adjusts market size. It's a very hard to control process. But it's a process that compounds over time. If you don't want that you don't have many options but a salary cap or the like.
Oh, and there's 10 different markt sizes IIRC: Almost nonexistant - Tiny - Small - Below average - Average - Above Average - Good - Big - Really Big - Huge. Could have missed one.
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Post by bigmark on Jul 24, 2013 16:55:34 GMT -5
I hope for realistic...took the white sox because I was looking forward to gming a team with big market size for the first time in all my years using ootp5
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 24, 2013 17:04:22 GMT -5
Why does market size even change? Any changes to market size in real life would have very little to do with the team most likely, and be a lucky component of simply living in an area that had a population explosion, for whatever reason.
I wouldn't have a problem setting these, and making sure they didn't change. Let fan loyalty and fan interest change.
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Post by Darryl on Jul 25, 2013 21:47:22 GMT -5
This is a very important decision in the league. The initial market sizes are one of the biggest flaws in the GABL What were the initial market sizes of the GABL? Wasn't around for the initial market sizes. But you can see the long term advantage of teams that started off instant money makers vs those starting behind. Having spent time looking into revenue histories in the GABL ( I just love baseball numbers reading that and CATO when I have spare time) you'll find very few make it big stories. San Diego is the best example of going from low to high in revenue and then maintaining it. |
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Post by K. on Jul 30, 2013 1:29:49 GMT -5
I am planning on basing market size on population, circa 1953; fan loyalty on average % of stadium capacity between 1950-1952; merchandising income on a combination of market size and fan loyalty. Thinking about this: fan loyalty and merchandising income are extremely stable in the game, so this really should be based on a long term period, not (largely) on numbers of 3 specific years. |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 30, 2013 6:06:07 GMT -5
duly noted sir! Hoping to get this information done this week and update the file on the weekend.
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