Brooklyn Dodgers

[CSCommish]

Reservation Discussions

[soonerfantu]

Possibilities -

Sandy Koufax (10.7+10.3+8.1+7.4+5.7)*2 = 84.40 (signed in '54)
Don Drysdale (8.0+6.9+6.1+5.8+5.4)*2 = 64.40 (signed in '54)
Don Sutton (6.6+6.3+5.4+4.6+4.5)*2 = 54.80 (signed in '64)
Ron Cey (6.6+6.1+5.3+5.1+5.0)*2 = 56.20 (drafted in '68)
Pedro Guerrero (7.9+6.8+5.5+4.7+2.8)*2 = 55.40 (signed in '73)
Bob Welch (7.1+4.6+4.3+4.0+3.5)*2 = 47.00 (drafted in '77)
Orel Hershiser (7.2+7.0+6.4+5.9+4.3)*2 = 61.60 (drafted in '79)
Fernando Valenzuela (5.4+5.4+5.0+4.8+4.1)*2 = 49.40 (purchased in '79)
Adrian Beltre (9.6+7.8+7.0+5.8+5.5)*2 = 71.40 (subject to change) (signed in '94)
Clayton Kershaw (7.9+6.5+6.2+5.5+4.7)*2 = 61.60 (subject to change) (drafted in '06)

[soonerfantu]

Hey CSCommish, when you get a little time, how about a rough estimate of the talents of Koufax/Drysdale/Sutton. Ratings-wise, they may be pretty close, which brings up an interesting dilemma from my end.

Also, is there any way we can know for sure what class these guys are going to be in? Where are you getting your draft class data from? Is that not something we can all look at?

[CSCommish]

The drafted/signed date on B-R should be fairly reliable; however, there will be a few that fall in between. For example, I am pretty sure Koufax is 1955 because he was a late bonus baby signee. I will check the database file I have and see if I can somehow post it.

This is what I have in mind, for now and is subject to change.

Koufax (1954): B/G/B/G/B with A endurance
Drysdale (1954): G/G/B/G/B with B endurance
Sutton (1964): G/G/G/G/G with C endurance

[soonerfantu]

Thanks for the info. This is going to add a fun twist to the game. I like it.

[soonerfantu]

I really have no idea what I'm going to do after Koufax. A lot of solid options, but no "must gets" like a few other teams have. I always like Orel Hershiser in real life, but not sure his game version will be good enough. Might just kind of wait things out, and draft on a "need" basis.

Also need to figure out if I'll have enough for Kershaw as a third player down the road. Would hate to miss out on him.

[soonerfantu]

Test to see whom I could reserve.

Koufax - 10+84+14 = 108

Pedro Guerrero - 10+55+20 = 85

+30 Loyalty Points (15 each for Koufax and Pedro)

+12 Points (two per year from 2000-2006)

Total points going into 2006 draft - 49

So I'm not going to be able to do Koufax, Guerrero, and Kershaw.

What I might do is find some solid player that is going to go deeper in the draft than Guerrero, and go that route. Somebody like Hershiser or Welch might be in the 10-15 range.

[CSCommish]

I should note the loyalty points are cumulative: 5 + 10 + 15 for milestones. That's 30 points EACH.

[soonerfantu]

I think I was being conservative, and leaving the last 15 pointer off. My thinking is that some, maybe most, will retire before then? And 18 year old would be 38 to hit that threshold. Might happen, might not.

[soonerfantu]

No way to know for sure, but I just calculated it would take me 202 points to draft both Drysdale and Koufax. Dang. I was seriously considering it.

[CSCommish]

I know you're considering Drysdale, so I offer the following:

Don Drysdale
Cost: 10 for reservation + 64 for player value + 11 for draft day jump = 85 FPR points.

This would leave you with a balance of 115 FPR points.

Sandy Koufax
Cost: 10 for penalty + 10 for reservation + 84 for player value = 104 FPR points without considering draft day jump fee.

This means you COULD reserve both Drysdale and Koufax, so long as you finish with the (or obtain) no later than the 12th overall draft pick in 1955. I should note that you will lose your 2nd and 3rd round picks this season if you reserve Drysdale and at least your 3rd next season and probably also your 2nd next season as well if you reserve Koufax.

Something to think about.

[soonerfantu]

I think I would be pretty sad to be done with my Franchise players after the first two seasons. At this point, I think I'll just wait and take Koufax next year, and then I'll have some flexibility going forward.

Question, are you assuming we have to jump up to the #1 spot to take our guy? Meaning, if I somehow wanted to take a guy that was probably the 10th best player in the draft, would I still have to jump (and pay jump fees) to get all the way to that first draft spot?

[Sha-Le Unique]

Nov 6, 2013 23:22:55 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

I think I would be pretty sad to be done with my Franchise players after the first two seasons. At this point, I think I'll just wait and take Koufax next year, and then I'll have some flexibility going forward.

Question, are you assuming we have to jump up to the #1 spot to take our guy? Meaning, if I somehow wanted to take a guy that was probably the 10th best player in the draft, would I still have to jump (and pay jump fees) to get all the way to that first draft spot?

Great question there! Piazza probably won't be the best overall draftee in 1988, so this would be interesting to know.

[Sha-Le Unique]

Oh by the way Jeremy, thanks for making my draft pick choice a little easier.

[CSCommish]

Nov 6, 2013 23:22:55 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

I think I would be pretty sad to be done with my Franchise players after the first two seasons. At this point, I think I'll just wait and take Koufax next year, and then I'll have some flexibility going forward.

Question, are you assuming we have to jump up to the #1 spot to take our guy? Meaning, if I somehow wanted to take a guy that was probably the 10th best player in the draft, would I still have to jump (and pay jump fees) to get all the way to that first draft spot?

For now, yes. If there is an obvious disconnect, say you reserve the 10th best player and the first 5 teams would obviously not select such player, then I'd have to consider that, but I would have to be fairly convinced to consider an alternative.

[CSCommish]

Only because the forfeiture of picks is dependent on the draft day jump fee.

[CSCommish]

I've revised it back to the order of computer picks, more or less. However, this does not impact your potential reservation of Don Drysdale given he's projected to go #1.

[CSCommish]

Can you confirm that you will be reserving Don Drysdale?

You have until tonight to do so.

Thanks

[soonerfantu]

Nov 8, 2013 7:53:11 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Can you confirm that you will be reserving Don Drysdale?

You have until tonight to do so.

Thanks

No sir.  I will NOT be reserving Don Drysdale, though it does pain me a bit.

[CSCommish]

Well, you have to admit, there was a lot of strategy/planning involved as to whether or not to do it. Adds a layer of interest!

ADMIT IT!

[bigmark]

I think if you are wanting to jump teams to take a player that badly ... the charge to jump to 1st is the choice you make.

[CSCommish]

FYI, Koufax will cost you:

10 for reservation + 84 for player value + 12 for draft day jump = 106 points. You would also lose your second and third round picks.

[bigmark]

I was reading a post earlier in here....where 3 players being franchised was mentioned...I thought it was being limited to 2 per team?

[soonerfantu]

You can Franchise as many as you can fit into your allotted points. In theory, if we keep earning points like we do in 2000(?), there is an unlimited number of players that you could draft, as long as the league continues.

[soonerfantu]

The Brooklyn Dodgers have elected to Franchise Mr. Sandy Koufax.

hoffbl.proboards.com/thread/477/dodgers-franchise-koufax?page=1&scrollTo=5390