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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 7:03:08 GMT -5
Did we change how fan expectations work? I have never seen any teams get those kind of points...seems high. Yes, I changed the system to try to double the points. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 7:26:18 GMT -5
I'll run those points and the poll tomorrow night...if that works. fine by me, playoffs will take a few days anyway. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 7:28:20 GMT -5
file backed up and ready to sim!
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 7:30:44 GMT -5
OK, one series is going to a game 5, so I'm stopping there. Uploading now.
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Post by bigmark on Apr 10, 2016 14:07:13 GMT -5
Go Minny and Cincy
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Post by Padres on Apr 10, 2016 14:24:14 GMT -5
Hoping for the win. Cards are the only team that I had a losing record against this year. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 14:28:37 GMT -5
Congrats to the playoff teams. Disappointed to not be in them, but I can't complain. Took over a .600 team that was 11 games out and 3rd in my division. Played .673 ball for me since I took over and made up 6 games in 40% of a season. But just couldn't quite sneak in. Maybe if I had been around the whole year things would have turned out different.
That being said, I don't know that I have the time to be real tough competition. As an example - I don't even know what "a cap limit on fan expectations" refers to among other things.
Best of luck to all the playoff participants!
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Post by soonerfantu on Apr 10, 2016 18:11:40 GMT -5
Dodgers have exported. A couple of things Chris. 1. Can you please do reward camps (PD reversals) before the playoff sims? Can't remember if you normally do or not. 2. Did you really think I wouldn't notice the cap limit on fan expectations? Do you think I'm going to let you change that on me at the very end of the season and not say anything? If you think it needs a cap, I won't argue. But you aren't going to cap it after my season, when I've been spending points knowing I was going to get more than 50, besides it simply being not fair. I'm a little disappointed you tried to sneak it in on me like that, to be honest. But it's a no go for me. That's an offseason rule change. 1) Usually do it before playoffs, yep! 2) Don't worry, I had intended to do the cap (it was 25, but wanted to essentially double the entire fan expectation thingy) but did not realize I never included it in the formula on the spreadsheet until I actually ran the numbers --- honestly, I did not think numbers would get that high. If I never said that up front (I forget already), my bad. I'll gift you 5 points? If it happened to anyone else, I still would have done it, so it's not a personal thing. I don't think it's necessarily personal, but that doesn't make it right. I don't think there has ever been a cap on this before. You say it was 25, but I don't remember that, and the formulas don't seem to support that. So here is where I fall out. If you or somebody else can convince me we've had a 25 point limit up until this year, I'll take the 50 and be okay. If there was no limit, like I'm pretty sure was the case, then I think I'm entitled to the points that the rules we played under ALL season stipulated. I'm sorry you didn't see a 71 point season as possible, but that's what I did. You really want to go against history of making changes like this in the offseason over 16 points? I've been tracking like I was going to get 70-80 points since about midway thru the season. Not really fair to pull the rug out from under me. It's not like there was some error that is causing me to get 700 points. It's 71, under the rules that were posted the entire season. Do the right thing. The consistent thing. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 18:53:54 GMT -5
1) Usually do it before playoffs, yep! 2) Don't worry, I had intended to do the cap (it was 25, but wanted to essentially double the entire fan expectation thingy) but did not realize I never included it in the formula on the spreadsheet until I actually ran the numbers --- honestly, I did not think numbers would get that high. If I never said that up front (I forget already), my bad. I'll gift you 5 points? If it happened to anyone else, I still would have done it, so it's not a personal thing. I don't think it's necessarily personal, but that doesn't make it right. I don't think there has ever been a cap on this before. You say it was 25, but I don't remember that, and the formulas don't seem to support that. So here is where I fall out. If you or somebody else can convince me we've had a 25 point limit up until this year, I'll take the 50 and be okay. If there was no limit, like I'm pretty sure was the case, then I think I'm entitled to the points that the rules we played under ALL season stipulated. I'm sorry you didn't see a 71 point season as possible, but that's what I did. You really want to go against history of making changes like this in the offseason over 16 points? I've been tracking like I was going to get 70-80 points since about midway thru the season. Not really fair to pull the rug out from under me. It's not like there was some error that is causing me to get 700 points. It's 70, under the rules that were posted the entire season. Do the right thing. The consistent thing. I'm pretty sure I had a limit but I could be thinking of the articles, who knows. Because of that, I do not think I will be able to convince you otherwise; so I'll gift you the 20 points for my error and/or not making it clear earlier. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 10, 2016 18:55:40 GMT -5
Congrats to the playoff teams. Disappointed to not be in them, but I can't complain. Took over a .600 team that was 11 games out and 3rd in my division. Played .673 ball for me since I took over and made up 6 games in 40% of a season. But just couldn't quite sneak in. Maybe if I had been around the whole year things would have turned out different. That being said, I don't know that I have the time to be real tough competition. As an example - I don't even know what "a cap limit on fan expectations" refers to among other things. Best of luck to all the playoff participants! No biggie IMO; almost all of the point-earning stuff requires no action on anyone's part as Shale/Dave tally up stuff during the season for you guys. Only you can control the points related to the regular season exports, voting in various polls, etc. |
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Post by Matt on Apr 10, 2016 19:05:35 GMT -5
I need to find something to whine about to get free points!
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Post by bigmark on Apr 11, 2016 3:12:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's necessarily personal, but that doesn't make it right. I don't think there has ever been a cap on this before. You say it was 25, but I don't remember that, and the formulas don't seem to support that. So here is where I fall out. If you or somebody else can convince me we've had a 25 point limit up until this year, I'll take the 50 and be okay. If there was no limit, like I'm pretty sure was the case, then I think I'm entitled to the points that the rules we played under ALL season stipulated. I'm sorry you didn't see a 71 point season as possible, but that's what I did. You really want to go against history of making changes like this in the offseason over 16 points? I've been tracking like I was going to get 70-80 points since about midway thru the season. Not really fair to pull the rug out from under me. It's not like there was some error that is causing me to get 700 points. It's 70, under the rules that were posted the entire season. Do the right thing. The consistent thing. I'm pretty sure I had a limit but I could be thinking of the articles, who knows. Because of that, I do not think I will be able to convince you otherwise; so I'll gift you the 20 points for my error and/or not making it clear earlier. Did any other teams get affected by this cap because I think its unfair to make them abide by it for this season and not jeremy just because he's the only one vocal about it... I also think 50 points for having a better than thought season is ridiculous... that's a free upgrade and then some.(league has enough issues with too much talent) Also We probably didnt have a cap before because no one ever got this many points before since chris tinkered with it ....even it was 25 points that is probably the most anyone has got.........Not really sure how its the right or consistent thing when this is the 1st season for it and sometimes new rules need tinkering for issues like this.... that many points is too much. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Apr 11, 2016 6:29:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I had a limit but I could be thinking of the articles, who knows. Because of that, I do not think I will be able to convince you otherwise; so I'll gift you the 20 points for my error and/or not making it clear earlier. Did any other teams get affected by this cap because I think its unfair to make them abide by it for this season and not jeremy just because he's the only one vocal about it... I also think 50 points for having a better than thought season is ridiculous... that's a free upgrade and then some.(league has enough issues with too much talent) Also We probably didnt have a cap before because no one ever got this many points before since chris tinkered with it ....even it was 25 points that is probably the most anyone has got.........Not really sure how its the right or consistent thing when this is the 1st season for it and sometimes new rules need tinkering for issues like this.... that many points is too much. Of course nobody else is affected. You helped tally the points, you should be aware of that. I agree that 71 points, and probably even 50 points is too much. But the problem is, I just did something that I doubt any other team has done since this league started. I beat my fan expectation by 31 wins. I made the playoffs when I only had a 20% expectation to make them. And I slaughtered my high win total for the fan expectation sims. Nobody else had done that. Has anybody done ANY of those things, let alone all three? So as far as comparing my points to those that we're used to seeing, I should blow them out of the water. Again, I don't disagree that 71 or maybe even 50 is too much, but those were the rules in place all season. Any other rule that we have changed, was changed during the offseason, not at the end of the season. Or maybe at the very beginning. If the people of this league think it's okay to have a set of rules in place the entire season, only to change them at the time of the "payout" at the end of the season b/c it didn't work out exactly how we thought it would, then maybe this isn't the league for me. |
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Post by Matt on Apr 11, 2016 6:48:26 GMT -5
And now the threats of leaving...
Not to mention the number of times the words I or me were used in that last paragraph. Someone has a complex.
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 11, 2016 8:32:15 GMT -5
If the people of this league think it's okay to have a set of rules in place the entire season, only to change them at the time of the "payout" at the end of the season b/c it didn't work out exactly how we thought it would, then maybe this isn't the league for me. That's a little much and you know it. Can you accept that I made a mistake both on the front end and during payout by not making the cap clear? Sheesh. Please drop it. |
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Post by bigmark on Apr 12, 2016 2:15:55 GMT -5
Did any other teams get affected by this cap because I think its unfair to make them abide by it for this season and not jeremy just because he's the only one vocal about it... I also think 50 points for having a better than thought season is ridiculous... that's a free upgrade and then some.(league has enough issues with too much talent) Also We probably didnt have a cap before because no one ever got this many points before since chris tinkered with it ....even it was 25 points that is probably the most anyone has got.........Not really sure how its the right or consistent thing when this is the 1st season for it and sometimes new rules need tinkering for issues like this.... that many points is too much. Of course nobody else is affected. You helped tally the points, you should be aware of that. I agree that 71 points, and probably even 50 points is too much. But the problem is, I just did something that I doubt any other team has done since this league started. I beat my fan expectation by 31 wins. I made the playoffs when I only had a 20% expectation to make them. And I slaughtered my high win total for the fan expectation sims. Nobody else had done that. Has anybody done ANY of those things, let alone all three? So as far as comparing my points to those that we're used to seeing, I should blow them out of the water. Again, I don't disagree that 71 or maybe even 50 is too much, but those were the rules in place all season. Any other rule that we have changed, was changed during the offseason, not at the end of the season. Or maybe at the very beginning. If the people of this league think it's okay to have a set of rules in place the entire season, only to change them at the time of the "payout" at the end of the season b/c it didn't work out exactly how we thought it would, then maybe this isn't the league for me. I should be aware of what? I don't tally points or have anything to do with them...maybe you should be aware of that? There have been plenty of teams in the past that have destroyed thier fan expectations. Milwaukee braves, minny, cincy won the nl west last year....maybe you remember that. They never got a crazy amount of points because it was a different system in place. I would prefer tinkering with new rules if they are overpaying out like this...sometimes new rules need to be adjusted so they are doing what they are intended to do and nothing else. If its done that way...this is the league for me. Just once I'd love to see you have some input in this league that wasn't just something that affects your team but the league as a whole but I doubt that day will ever come. |
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