bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Aug 2, 2018 1:54:24 GMT -5
Basically you could buy an exemption from the tanking rule with cash or points. Perhaps the price changes based on the winning pct predicted by the fan expectation sims right after opening day...less predicted wins = higher cost. It's only good for one season, and you can only do it, let's say, every 15 seasons. Kinda like the franchise player reservation in reverse. This limits extensive or repeated tanking, but gives the GM flexibility in selecting a year to be horrid in order to get a high draft pick. We exempt going negative for cash for one season, which is used strategically. Why not this?
That's really good idea. I like the less predicted wins = higher cost. The idea to make it available every 15 seasons is also a very good idea. We'd have to talk how much cash/points something like this would cost. I'd say points over money - I'd be worried that there will be very low payrolls so that teams try to turn a profit prior to buying this. That'd be my only concern if we did something for cash.
How much would you think this could cost in cash/points?
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stooolfan
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St Louis Cardinals
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Post by stooolfan on Aug 2, 2018 4:01:53 GMT -5
My vote is change nothing.
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Post by tadontask on Aug 2, 2018 15:17:17 GMT -5
I would prefer to address potential inactivity rather than poor performance.
If I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute - really bad teams and really good teams go hand-in-hand. One of the reasons that we have teams struggling to 30 and 40 wins is that we currently have 8 teams on pace for more than 100 wins. You have 9 teams that have a winning percentage between .400 and .600, meaning 17 teams are below .400 or above .600. It's like the AL East in the 2000s - tough to build if you're routinely getting hammered by powerful teams. If you want to address the teams at the bottom, you also have to look at the teams at the top.
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Reddington
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Atlanta Braves
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Post by Reddington on Aug 2, 2018 15:48:19 GMT -5
Gonna call this the break rule just because you think it's all about you =p Then in 1985 I'll call it the Spencer rule. And in 1991 I'll call it the Chris rule. cant be 91, as you are suppose to be battling the Braves for dominance then |
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Matt
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Post by Matt on Aug 2, 2018 16:00:33 GMT -5
I would prefer to address potential inactivity rather than poor performance. If I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute - really bad teams and really good teams go hand-in-hand. One of the reasons that we have teams struggling to 30 and 40 wins is that we currently have 8 teams on pace for more than 100 wins. You have 9 teams that have a winning percentage between .400 and .600, meaning 17 teams are below .400 or above .600. It's like the AL East in the 2000s - tough to build if you're routinely getting hammered by powerful teams. If you want to address the teams at the bottom, you also have to look at the teams at the top. I kinda agree with this, too. Annoying having guys filled with "good" ratings that are horrible. Almost too much at the top player wise. |
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bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Aug 2, 2018 16:50:29 GMT -5
I would prefer to address potential inactivity rather than poor performance. If I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute - really bad teams and really good teams go hand-in-hand. One of the reasons that we have teams struggling to 30 and 40 wins is that we currently have 8 teams on pace for more than 100 wins. You have 9 teams that have a winning percentage between .400 and .600, meaning 17 teams are below .400 or above .600. It's like the AL East in the 2000s - tough to build if you're routinely getting hammered by powerful teams. If you want to address the teams at the bottom, you also have to look at the teams at the top.
I agree that really bad teams go hand in hand with with really good teams. The issue here isn't about teams getting routinely hammered. If we're going for realism - there are currently 4 teams, as of this post, with winning percentages under .315.
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Post by tadontask on Aug 2, 2018 17:01:05 GMT -5
If we're going for realism - there are currently 4 teams, as of this post, with winning percentages under .315. Right. And there are 5 teams with winning percentages of at least .646. I'm merely saying that realism is an issue at the top of the standings as well as the bottom. Again, I'm fine with the status quo as long as owners are active. If you're talking about realism, MLB has teams that routinely go for a decade or more with no hope at the playoffs. Even notoriously thrifty owners like Jeff Loria and the Wilpons aren't fined or told they must add free agents. Unless you say something like Marge Schott or pay a gambler to get dirt on a player like George Steinbrenner (who was still allowed to own the team), owners are pretty much allowed to spend as they please. I'm probably with Pittsburgh in that I would "Do Nothing" in this poll, an option that really needs to be a choice in there. Though I do see the merit and fun in a draft lottery. |
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dougiejays
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Toronto Blue Jays
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Post by dougiejays on Aug 2, 2018 18:04:25 GMT -5
I kinda disagree that great teams=awful teams. The fact is G/G/G guys are pretty much readily available in this league because they’re not good enough to put anyone over the top - but they’re definitely good enough to win 50 or 60 games. It’s about whether owners bother to pick up average players while they’re building.
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Texas
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Texas Rangers
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Post by Texas on Aug 2, 2018 19:33:57 GMT -5
...give a heads up it is to happen
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Texas
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Texas Rangers
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Post by Texas on Aug 2, 2018 19:34:09 GMT -5
Enhanced Roster Management - COMMISH polices sub-.300 teams and makes rosters moves and FA signings
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stooolfan
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St Louis Cardinals
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Post by stooolfan on Aug 3, 2018 4:16:10 GMT -5
My vote is change nothing. |
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Aug 3, 2018 13:34:42 GMT -5
I didnt vote
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Dale
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Cleveland Indians
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Post by Dale on Aug 3, 2018 13:54:45 GMT -5
Me either. I’m trying to win but can’t generate attendance income for FA, and most FAs don’t like me. I don’t want to risk a penalty for losing when I’m trying to win
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Post by CSCommish on Aug 4, 2018 8:05:53 GMT -5
Me either. I’m trying to win but can’t generate attendance income for FA, and most FAs don’t like me. I don’t want to risk a penalty for losing when I’m trying to win Based on your current winning percentage, you wouldn't be effected. Even if you 27-87 the rest of the way. |
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Post by CSCommish on Aug 5, 2018 8:26:03 GMT -5
Locked.
New rule effectively immediately:
After Off-season Free Agency and prior to running Opening Day Sim, the COMMISH will check the following:
Any pitcher on major league roster with AR under 5 and any position player where Hits and Walks rating add up to under 10, is subject to demotion to the bench or AAA and replaced with players in the following sequence:
1) Minor leaguers 26+ having better ratings
2) Free Agent players having better ratings
3) All other minor leaguers (prospects) having better ratings
* Every effort will be made to protect top prospects (particularly those under 24) who are not yet ready for major league action.
* Any in-season free agent signings necessary to achieve the above will have the 24-hour waiting period waived. COMMISH may sign players immediately.
* If a team has no money, the COMMISH will make every effort (re: edits) necessary to force the signings.
* The major league rotation, depth charts and lineups as well as minor league system will then be auto'd.
Beginning June 1 of each season, any team having a winning percentage under .333 will be subject to the above, prior to every Saturday or Sunday sim, at minimum, and may be every sim, to ensure a roster and lineup meeting the intent and spirit of the rules.
Penalties and/or fines are still being considered and if implemented, will not begin until at least the end of the 1983 season, and/or will be implemented slowly. At the moment, only fan interest and cash penalties are being considered, not points.
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Post by tadontask on Aug 5, 2018 8:32:51 GMT -5
That seems like a LOT of work for you (or someone), no? Maybe if you restrict those conditions to some level of bad records or inactivity it might lessen the burden a bit?
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Post by CSCommish on Aug 5, 2018 8:37:29 GMT -5
Honestly, I think a lot of the issues will be resolved when the Opening Day edits are made and in-season edits will be limited because the Opening Day rosters will be improved. It'll make Opening Day longer for sure.
As for during the season, I may assign an NL owner to check on AL teams and an AL owner to check on NL teams throughout the season to "check" for me and make recommendations. Those can be new volunteer positions where points are earned.
And finally, once inactivity is addressed, it may negate the need to do any of the above.
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Reddington
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Atlanta Braves
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Post by Reddington on Aug 5, 2018 8:38:29 GMT -5
That seems like a LOT of work for you (or someone), no? Maybe if you restrict those conditions to some level of bad records or inactivity it might lessen the burden a bit? nah, it's only a few teams, and would only be time consuming the first time. |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Aug 5, 2018 8:39:18 GMT -5
waves to be the guy from the NL
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dougiejays
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Toronto Blue Jays
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Post by dougiejays on Aug 5, 2018 8:43:54 GMT -5
This is a guideline not a rule, right? Cause there are a handful of legit good players who don’t fit that criteria.
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Post by CSCommish on Aug 5, 2018 8:50:22 GMT -5
This is a guideline not a rule, right? Cause there are a handful of legit good players who don’t fit that criteria. For the "replacement" players, yes. Every effort will be made to protect the top prospects from entering the majors before they are ready. Hence, the in-season free agent signings. |
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dougiejays
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Toronto Blue Jays
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Post by dougiejays on Aug 5, 2018 10:03:56 GMT -5
I was more referring to the 5 AR and the 10 total H/BB levels as benchmarks. For example, according to that, a guy like Rice just BARELY qualifies as playable (6 in hits, 4 in BB) but his other ratings are all Bs and he's pretty clearly a big leaguer - it's not like I would send him down if his walks dropped a point.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Aug 5, 2018 15:35:44 GMT -5
I was more referring to the 5 AR and the 10 total H/BB levels as benchmarks. For example, according to that, a guy like Rice just BARELY qualifies as playable (6 in hits, 4 in BB) but his other ratings are all Bs and he's pretty clearly a big leaguer - it's not like I would send him down if his walks dropped a point. I think it's only being used in clear cases where abuse is likely. Like he's not gonna force me to bring up Galaragga at 21 just because he's 6 in hits and 4 in walks. He wasn't there at opening day so I have the right to save a year on him until next year, where I'd probably be encouraged to bring him up. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Aug 5, 2018 15:37:31 GMT -5
As long as I'm making sound decisions with the staff I have I'm against being forced to sign FA but i think there's nothing wrong with filling a hole with a 4/1/4 in a spot or two when you have nobody else to keep it in house.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Aug 5, 2018 15:38:33 GMT -5
I've had guys pd up with the experience and turn into bench guys when I'm competing for real a few years later.
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