bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2023 19:36:23 GMT -5
v interesting always thought it didn’t matter stienie got me to test it before he put up his poll to see if it was even worthwhile considering. my memory is beer infused but I think in the case of a BBB pitcher it was 3-6 wins per test season and on avg 0.40 lower ERA a 2 pitch vs 4 pitch 3 vs two was always more wins and lower ERA but not as drastic think we found 4 pitchers to test on and that was the only change on the test season If true next year's gripes thread will be nothing but this guy needs another pitch posts 🤣 |
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Post by jmich24 on Jan 6, 2023 19:40:50 GMT -5
more pitches = more wins and lower era So you always knew more pitches the better. Griped to give both your reservations Smoltz and Maddox 5 pitches each. Rode that wave for 15+ seasons. Now its a back channel conspiracy to get a third pitch. Goodness. |
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2023 19:51:00 GMT -5
so we are clear im adding 3rd pitches to all my viable 2 pitch guys now since its already been done for some. lol
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 19:58:15 GMT -5
more pitches = more wins and lower era So you always knew more pitches the better. Griped to give both your reservations Smoltz and Maddox 5 pitches each. Rode that wave for 15+ seasons. Now its a back channel conspiracy to get a third pitch. Goodness. Lol |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:00:42 GMT -5
more pitches = more wins and lower era So you always knew more pitches the better. Griped to give both your reservations Smoltz and Maddox 5 pitches each. Rode that wave for 15+ seasons. Now its a back channel conspiracy to get a third pitch. Goodness. never said shit about maddux, do your own tests if you want knowledge... |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:02:31 GMT -5
stienie got me to test it before he put up his poll to see if it was even worthwhile considering. my memory is beer infused but I think in the case of a BBB pitcher it was 3-6 wins per test season and on avg 0.40 lower ERA a 2 pitch vs 4 pitch 3 vs two was always more wins and lower ERA but not as drastic think we found 4 pitchers to test on and that was the only change on the test season If true next year's gripes thread will be nothing but this guy needs another pitch posts 🤣 good. |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:06:55 GMT -5
so we are clear im adding 3rd pitches to all my viable 2 pitch guys now since its already been done for some. lol fuck no, I'm all about undoing any made unless paid for it sucks, if you or anyone else has got the upgrade for free when everyone else just played on |
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2023 20:15:37 GMT -5
so we are clear im adding 3rd pitches to all my viable 2 pitch guys now since its already been done for some. lol fuck no, I'm all about undoing any made unless paid for the fuck, if you or anyone else has got the upgrade for free when everyone else just played on Chris already said hes fine with 3rd pitches some posts up. |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:16:42 GMT -5
fuck no, I'm all about undoing any made unless paid for the fuck, if you or anyone else has got the upgrade for free when everyone else just played on Chris already said hes fine with 3rd pitches some posts up. when we clamored for a change and no one was given shit? but some were... apparently. how is this good or fair? |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:18:59 GMT -5
I mean the poll is saying it all, either it shouldn't be done or it shouldn't be free if it is
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2023 20:32:05 GMT -5
I mean the poll is saying it all, either it shouldn't be done or it shouldn't be free if it is ok but we take away smoltz pitches and he gets an asterik next to his name   |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:46:20 GMT -5
I mean the poll is saying it all, either it shouldn't be done or it shouldn't be free if it is ok but we take away smoltz pitches and he gets an asterik next to his name because he like many others were fixed in gripes? makes sense |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2023 20:46:51 GMT -5
speaking of *'s wtf do so many have one by their name?
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2023 20:52:06 GMT -5
speaking of *'s wtf do so many have one by their name? I think its from the last expansion and they were never taken off |
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Post by Matt on Jan 6, 2023 20:54:01 GMT -5
speaking of *'s wtf do so many have one by their name? Duplicate player names |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 6, 2023 21:38:31 GMT -5
It's clear someone in this thread is mad his rivals are gonna improve
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 21:47:32 GMT -5
It's clear someone in this thread is mad his rivals are gonna improve Can I have z since you won’t play him when he is ready? |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 6, 2023 22:23:11 GMT -5
It's clear someone in this thread is mad his rivals are gonna improve Can I have z since you won’t play him when he is ready? He's not ready wtf u smoking |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 22:24:24 GMT -5
Can I have z since you won’t play him when he is ready? He's not ready wtf u smoking Oh wow, this guy! Judges? |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 22:25:55 GMT -5
Actually, I looked closer. Break you are right, he would not start over what you have now.
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 22:26:06 GMT -5
I take back my statement.
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Jan 6, 2023 22:38:30 GMT -5
Mortons got 4 pitches! Worth more now.
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 7, 2023 13:39:50 GMT -5
league needs to be rolled back to when Glavine ended up on the Braves and given a 3rd + all his other pitches. wasn't posted at the time this was allowed
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 7, 2023 13:40:08 GMT -5
prolly would have got another WS
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 7, 2023 21:11:31 GMT -5
I think I would lean to allowing for 2nd and 3rd pitches added, for free. There will be no allowance to add other pitches; that must be done during gripes.
If we made people pay in the past, then I will be happy to refund the points.
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