jr
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Post by jr on Apr 6, 2024 0:46:14 GMT -5
Is A the faster for speed? Didn’t Buxton come in as one of the fastest players?
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Apr 6, 2024 0:57:25 GMT -5
I feel like some of these guys need to be boosted from E speed. this is the era of dont steal baseball. doesnt mean they are slow. maybe boost speed a lil and lower stealing ability a lot. its very flawed. so many A guys. were they good at stealing just cause they never stole?
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Apr 6, 2024 6:42:04 GMT -5
I feel like some of these guys need to be boosted from E speed. this is the era of dont steal baseball. doesnt mean they are slow. maybe boost speed a lil and lower stealing ability a lot. its very flawed. so many A guys. were they good at stealing just cause they never stole? so you wanna make base stealers out of guys that didn't steal bases. logical |
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 7:52:34 GMT -5
Muncy is a dupe
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 7:53:06 GMT -5
Feel like olson needs brill walks and/or good hits
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 7:53:27 GMT -5
Swanson needs a huge boost
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 7:53:51 GMT -5
Agreed on boosting Fried and Berrios
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Apr 6, 2024 7:54:01 GMT -5
I feel like some of these guys need to be boosted from E speed. this is the era of dont steal baseball. doesnt mean they are slow. maybe boost speed a lil and lower stealing ability a lot. its very flawed. so many A guys. were they good at stealing just cause they never stole? so you wanna make base stealers out of guys that didn't steal bases. logical I think he's saying that should be a bunch of guys like this Speed: B Stealing D |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 7:58:58 GMT -5
You saying this made me realize you're still looking at the link Brian posted in the first post. I already made a bunch of changes. I'll edit the link to the pool that is in the file now. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 8:22:31 GMT -5
I feel like some of these guys need to be boosted from E speed. this is the era of dont steal baseball. doesnt mean they are slow. maybe boost speed a lil and lower stealing ability a lot. its very flawed. so many A guys. were they good at stealing just cause they never stole? E/A is what David Ortiz would be He never steals, but when he does it works. |
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sargo
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 8:22:33 GMT -5
Got it.
BUXTON should be better… and A speed?
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sargo
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 8:22:51 GMT -5
Ya Berrios needs that boost.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 8:22:58 GMT -5
so you wanna make base stealers out of guys that didn't steal bases. logical I think he's saying that should be a bunch of guys like this Speed: B Stealing D this steals a lot more bases than E/A |
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sargo
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Post by sargo on Apr 6, 2024 8:23:39 GMT -5
Make Hader elite!!!
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 8:24:10 GMT -5
it's less about what letter they are and more of "what combination of speed and stealing ability will produce the result closest to this person IRL" which doesn't always look accurate until you really know the stealing tendencies.
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Apr 6, 2024 9:05:09 GMT -5
it's less about what letter they are and more of "what combination of speed and stealing ability will produce the result closest to this person IRL" which doesn't always look accurate until you really know the stealing tendencies. I also think Mark’s about 10 years too late on this…the real dead period for SBs was like 2005-2015 |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 9:07:38 GMT -5
Stealing ability is the percentage you're safe
Speed is the percentage you attempt to steal
it has zero to do with defense, that's what defensive range speed letters are for.
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 9:26:55 GMT -5
Stealing ability is the percentage you're safe Speed is the percentage you attempt to steal it has zero to do with defense, that's what defensive range speed letters are for. agreed, and that's what we based the formulas on for Brian's program. although catchers' arms play a role in the success of a steal attempt |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 9:33:32 GMT -5
Buxton is unquestionably A stealing. He is the MLB career leader in stealing % www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/stolen_base_perc_career.shtmlSo the question is what should his speed be, which will imply how many steals he gets. We do have to project a bit, as he is (and many others are) in his late 20s and early 30s), and we have to take account of his injuries. Basically, if he wasn't hurt so often, how many steals do we think he'd have? A implies 50-100 steals like we see on the leaderboards now. B maybe 30-50? C maybe 15-30? C makes sense now, so do we think he'd be a B? I can get behind that, but not A. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 9:40:42 GMT -5
And again, as I've said several times, I do not edit secondary ratings unless they are REALLY OFF. Otherwise, as players are drafted, I do edit jersey numbers, positions played, range/fielding percentage, and to a lesser degree speed/stealing, sac bunt/bunt for hit, injury ratings, and to an even lesser degree potential ratings (if anything, I will adjust triples, and maybe strikeouts, I do not edit hits, doubles, homers, walks).
This reduces the time to gripe / get the pool ready dramatically, but does (interestingly) add a layer of uncertainly when drafting a player. I, of course, exercise caution when I draft a player.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 9:42:20 GMT -5
Buxton is unquestionably A stealing. He is the MLB career leader in stealing % www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/stolen_base_perc_career.shtmlSo the question is what should his speed be, which will imply how many steals he gets. We do have to project a bit, as he is (and many others are) in his late 20s and early 30s), and we have to take account of his injuries. Basically, if he wasn't hurt so often, how many steals do we think he'd have? A implies 50-100 steals like we see on the leaderboards now. B maybe 30-50? C maybe 15-30? C makes sense now, so do we think he'd be a B? I can get behind that, but not A. C/A has the best percentages in my experience |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Apr 6, 2024 9:43:27 GMT -5
And again, as I've said several times, I do not edit secondary ratings unless they are REALLY OFF. Otherwise, as players are drafted, I do edit jersey numbers, positions played, range/fielding percentage, and to a lesser degree speed/stealing, sac bunt/bunt for hit, injury ratings, and to an even lesser degree potential ratings (if anything, I will adjust triples, and maybe strikeouts, I do not edit hits, doubles, homers, walks). This reduces the time to gripe / get the pool ready dramatically, but does (interestingly) add a layer of uncertainly when drafting a player. I, of course, exercise caution when I draft a player. He means don’t think you’re getting away with highway robbery when you find a guy with 19 in strikeouts and 15 velocity lol |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 9:45:37 GMT -5
And again, as I've said several times, I do not edit secondary ratings unless they are REALLY OFF. Otherwise, as players are drafted, I do edit jersey numbers, positions played, range/fielding percentage, and to a lesser degree speed/stealing, sac bunt/bunt for hit, injury ratings, and to an even lesser degree potential ratings (if anything, I will adjust triples, and maybe strikeouts, I do not edit hits, doubles, homers, walks). This reduces the time to gripe / get the pool ready dramatically, but does (interestingly) add a layer of uncertainly when drafting a player. I, of course, exercise caution when I draft a player. He means don’t think you’re getting away with highway robbery when you find a guy with 19 in strikeouts and 15 velocity lol oh that wouldn't happen on my team... |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 6, 2024 9:46:14 GMT -5
speaking of which, i usually take the K/9 and round up .2 to the near whole number. so 8.1 is 8 velo and 8.2 is 9 velo ... lately we're getting crazy 12-14 velo guys
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Apr 6, 2024 9:53:29 GMT -5
Buxton is unquestionably A stealing. He is the MLB career leader in stealing % www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/stolen_base_perc_career.shtmlSo the question is what should his speed be, which will imply how many steals he gets. We do have to project a bit, as he is (and many others are) in his late 20s and early 30s), and we have to take account of his injuries. Basically, if he wasn't hurt so often, how many steals do we think he'd have? A implies 50-100 steals like we see on the leaderboards now. B maybe 30-50? C maybe 15-30? C makes sense now, so do we think he'd be a B? I can get behind that, but not A. C/A has the best percentages in my experience I think it's B/A that has the best combo of attempts and percentage...C/A guys don't steal that much. |
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