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Post by Matt on Dec 3, 2015 8:45:32 GMT -5
A couple of points - 1. If you are complaining about how difficult it is to rebuild, yet you voted against bringing on the Wild Cards as soon as possible, well, it's difficult to feel sorry for you.2. Trade value is determined by what people are willing to trade. I don't care what a certain talent level gets you in another league. A lot of guys overvalue older players here, and undervalue prospects, especially prospects that are ML ready or very near. IMO, of course. 3. Every league I've ever played in that started this far back have had the inflation problem. It's about to come to an end, as there aren't many players left that were on original rosters. That, and other factors, will lead to a return to the "norm" soon enough. I am, and I get it. I'll always vote for historical accuracy, but it's incredibly irritating to have "trading" no longer be a way to expedite a rebuild, because nobody trades. I don't blame the contenders at all, I certainly wouldn't give up spects for 34 year old catchers if I didn't have to. If we didn't have such a disparity between the haves and the have nots there would be more of a market for those type of players as others tried to contend. I agree. I got offers on Kaiser and George, but neither offers were worth me dealing players of their caliber. But I think this year was the first in the last 3 that people actually asked for guys on my trade block and not just Gibson and Brock. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 3, 2015 12:45:53 GMT -5
Everyone has an excess of middle of the road pitching. Everyone wants to trade 3 of these guys for 1 better SP. There arent very many better SP.
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Post by Danny Glover on Dec 4, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -5
Everyone has an excess of middle of the road pitching. Everyone wants to trade 3 of these guys for 1 better SP. There arent very many better SP. |
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Post by Danny Glover on Dec 4, 2015 12:18:25 GMT -5
No one wants my pitchers....weird
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 4, 2015 19:04:37 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud:
I think a couple things will help:
1) Realignment to 3 divisions several decades early, introduces 4 playoff teams out of 12 per league each season. We went from 1 / 10 (10%) to 2 / 10 (20%) and will soon be 4 / 12 (33%) for each league.
2) One more round of Expansion draft will further dilute talent from top teams.
3) Original players (including Hank, Mays, Mantle, Mathews) will be phased out soon.
It is quite possible things will get better by 1970, but that remains to be seen. A few ideas I just thought of could be considered to further level the playing field:
1) Re-introduce soft cap for fan interest to 90 at Opening Day only
2) Lower max cash on hand to 25M or 30M
3) Lower max National Broadcasting amount
4) Re-introduce a max cap of reward points earned per season
5) Adjust reward point system for non-playoff teams at Opening Day (essentially double points)
6) Introduce fan interest reward system for calling up top-rated prospect (say 25 points - position rank at Opening Day), max at 90 overall?
7) Introduce a Rule 5 draft
8) Institute a max number of resigning players per season (i.e.: 5)
9) Institute a higher base salary for 10/5 players (minimum 10M or 15M?)
10) Institute a higher base salary for franchise players (minimum 10M or 15M?)
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Post by bigmark on Dec 4, 2015 19:44:24 GMT -5
1) Re-introduce soft cap for fan interest to 90 at Opening Day only 2) Lower max cash on hand to 25M or 30M 3) Lower max National Broadcasting amount 4) Re-introduce a max cap of reward points earned per season 5) Adjust reward point system for non-playoff teams at Opening Day (essentially double points) 6) Introduce fan interest reward system for calling up top-rated prospect (say 25 points - position rank at Opening Day), max at 90 overall? 7) Introduce a Rule 5 draft 8) Institute a max number of resigning players per season (i.e.: 5) 9) Institute a higher base salary for 10/5 players (minimum 10M or 15M?) 10) Institute a higher base salary for franchise players (minimum 10M or 15M?) Couldnt be more against pretty much most of these.... especailly number 1 which was voted away already. number 6 is the only alright one...why not reward people for not letting top prospects rot Honestly expansion, the 3 divisions, etc will even things out..... its always like this in these leagues....pittsburgh and detroit built powerhouses as I said before...do you not expect them to dominate fora while.....they made teams that can win...they are not going to mess with that....why punish them. All players get old...all dynastys fade and that is when ya gotta be prepared for. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Dec 4, 2015 22:43:06 GMT -5
What bigmark said.
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Post by Matt on Dec 4, 2015 23:32:08 GMT -5
I am against anything that will help balance out the league. I love when the same 4-6 teams win all the time. I love it when no one trades. It makes things so very enjoyable!
Yes, yes, I know you built everything you've got. You have no advantage with larger markets. You don't have any advantage with better teams gaining more points.
Keep things as is. It's fun!
But in all honesty, I'm with Matt. Someone tell me why my team isn't any better? I've got 2 brilliant hitters (in BB and hits), added power bats in the lineups. 3 almost perfectly rated OOTP pitchers in a very neutral rated ballpark. Can't do anything but win 100 games on my pitching and horribly underachieving offense that no one seems to have any suggestions or explanations.
I do this for fun. This is becoming more and more not fun.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 3:44:13 GMT -5
I am against anything that will help balance out the league. I love when the same 4-6 teams win all the time. I love it when no one trades. It makes things so very enjoyable! Yes, yes, I know you built everything you've got. You have no advantage with larger markets. You don't have any advantage with better teams gaining more points. Keep things as is. It's fun! But in all honesty, I'm with Matt. Someone tell me why my team isn't any better? I've got 2 brilliant hitters (in BB and hits), added power bats in the lineups. 3 almost perfectly rated OOTP pitchers in a very neutral rated ballpark. Can't do anything but win 100 games on my pitching and horribly underachieving offense that no one seems to have any suggestions or explanations. I do this for fun. This is becoming more and more not fun. You've been to 3 world series and won 2....that's more than most of the teams in the league can say. lets just cancel the playoffs and hand out participation ribbons at the end of the season will that make everyone feel alright? |
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 5, 2015 9:58:03 GMT -5
Which I find ironic, yes, lol; I think Matt C is partially speaking on behalf of the other teams.
In any case, I would like to institute (at least 2) of the 10 options I threw out by 1969 Opening Day. If I do not receive any consensus or concrete reason against any of them, I will pick (at least 2 of) some options as I see fit.
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Post by soonerfantu on Dec 5, 2015 10:11:06 GMT -5
I don't mean for this to be a "take my ball and go home" type of post, but I could see myself leaving the league if much from that list is implemented. ESPECIALLY anything having to do with revneues. I work too hard to build up my revenues, and to plan my payroll around it, for the league to multiple times (over the course of this young league's life) do stuff that completely changes the revenue outlook of my team. I agree with one sentiment that has been mentioned above.....this league isn't nearly as much fun as it should it. Where I differ is the reasoning why. Too many teams with basically zero owner involvement. It shouldn't take seasons and seasons of non-involvement to seek replacement owners. And now we want to reward them not being around and active, just b/c they have a bad team? Of course their teams are bad, they are never around. They don't reverse PD hits. They don't promote guys when they should. They aren't around to make beneficial trades. But sure, lets just give them more points, more money, and take money away from the teams that do care enough about the league and their teams to show up and be active. THAT is the problem, and I basically predicted this when GABL started falling apart. We should have upgraded to a newer version of the game, and we should be very, very careful with expansion. Because quite frankly, this league hasn't had a full allotment of good owners since day 1. And GABL didn't have a full allotment of good owners the last several real years I was over there either.
Another poster asked me to join a different league earlier this week. I told him I'm closer to quitting this one than I am joining another one. I don't know what the answer is to make this league fun again, though I suspect it's just giving it a bit more time. Expansion and the Wild Card will help tremendously. But if we start trying to manipulate finances again, after they've already been heavily manipulated, I'll probably bounce. Don't turn into Bernie Sanders and socialize this league anymore than it already is Chris. The opportunities are there for good owners. We've already seen that in recent seasons with some new teams making the playoffs and competing.
Chris, you've already done WAY more than you did in GABL to help out the other teams. You've adjusted the high end revenues. You've given them points for not making the playoffs. The opportunities are there. #6 is the only item on your list that would promote activity, rather than simply reward teams for being bad.
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2015 10:18:21 GMT -5
This might change after the expansion draft, but looking at some of the AAA rosters a Rule 5 draft might help some of the talent being wasted in AAA find a roster spot.
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 5, 2015 10:25:21 GMT -5
Jeremy, if it helps, I think the only realistic ones that I would implement would be #6 and #5 (and possibly #7); most (if not all) of the others are crap-shoots that I just thought out loud (you know me, I like revealing my thought process) and would only be seriously considered if most of the league even wanted it, which I doubt. Again, just thinking out loud.
At this point, we need a couple more active owners to replace Philly and incoming vacancies due to expansion.
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 5, 2015 10:33:07 GMT -5
I am also tempted to stay at 24 teams throughout the rest of the sim until a newer version reboot. I am playing 2016 and holy crap.
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Post by soonerfantu on Dec 5, 2015 10:47:34 GMT -5
Do you like 2016? I've been thinking about buying it myself.
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 5, 2015 10:56:11 GMT -5
LOVE IT
Worth the price for solo play.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 12:02:50 GMT -5
I don't mean for this to be a "take my ball and go home" type of post, but I could see myself leaving the league if much from that list is implemented. ESPECIALLY anything having to do with revneues. I work too hard to build up my revenues, and to plan my payroll around it, for the league to multiple times (over the course of this young league's life) do stuff that completely changes the revenue outlook of my team. I agree with one sentiment that has been mentioned above.....this league isn't nearly as much fun as it should it. Where I differ is the reasoning why. Too many teams with basically zero owner involvement. It shouldn't take seasons and seasons of non-involvement to seek replacement owners. And now we want to reward them not being around and active, just b/c they have a bad team? Of course their teams are bad, they are never around. They don't reverse PD hits. They don't promote guys when they should. They aren't around to make beneficial trades. But sure, lets just give them more points, more money, and take money away from the teams that do care enough about the league and their teams to show up and be active. THAT is the problem, and I basically predicted this when GABL started falling apart. We should have upgraded to a newer version of the game, and we should be very, very careful with expansion. Because quite frankly, this league hasn't had a full allotment of good owners since day 1. And GABL didn't have a full allotment of good owners the last several real years I was over there either. Another poster asked me to join a different league earlier this week. I told him I'm closer to quitting this one than I am joining another one. I don't know what the answer is to make this league fun again, though I suspect it's just giving it a bit more time. Expansion and the Wild Card will help tremendously. But if we start trying to manipulate finances again, after they've already been heavily manipulated, I'll probably bounce. Don't turn into Bernie Sanders and socialize this league anymore than it already is Chris. The opportunities are there for good owners. We've already seen that in recent seasons with some new teams making the playoffs and competing. Chris, you've already done WAY more than you did in GABL to help out the other teams. You've adjusted the high end revenues. You've given them points for not making the playoffs. The opportunities are there. #6 is the only item on your list that would promote activity, rather than simply reward teams for being bad. agreed |
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2015 15:26:28 GMT -5
Two big market teams that have been successful agree nothing needs to be changed.....what a surprise.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 15:34:37 GMT -5
Two big market teams that have been successful agree nothing needs to be changed.....what a surprise. lol You've won more than I have....and i was stuck behind detroit and the yankees for years....didnt start winning a division til expansion. built a stadium expanded my revenue. ran up my fan interest..... But label me like you do jeremy it seems...if a team is good they did nothing to get there. Sorry your so upset you cant figure out how to beat pittsburgh. Expansion will open it up to more teams more chances like it did for me....heck expansion will hurt me im back with detroit...whatever...thats how it goes... This is also the first league ive had a reasonable sized city. |
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 15:46:30 GMT -5
I'd actually like to commend stool winning how he has with a smaller revenue than Matt..... Some good gming goes a long way
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2015 15:55:54 GMT -5
I'd actually like to commend stool winning how he has with a smaller revenue than Matt..... Some good gming goes a long way And going broke. But thanks for calling me a bad GM. Appreciate it. But what would you do differently about my horribly run team by a bad GM? Please enlighten me. |
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 16:26:43 GMT -5
I'd actually like to commend stool winning how he has with a smaller revenue than Matt..... Some good gming goes a long way And going broke. But thanks for calling me a bad GM. Appreciate it. But what would you do differently about my horribly run team by a bad GM? Please enlighten me. Where in there did I say you were a bad gm? A little testy? Need a snickers? |
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2015 17:57:28 GMT -5
"Stool winning on a lower payroll than Matt. Some good GMing goes a long way."
Haha. You didn't mean anything by that post? Funny.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 5, 2015 19:24:23 GMT -5
"Stool winning on a lower payroll than Matt. Some good GMing goes a long way." Haha. You didn't mean anything by that post? Funny. If you take complimenting stool as a shot .... That's your issue not mine..... |
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 5, 2015 22:44:02 GMT -5
Lol mark. It may not have been a shot but it sure could have been worded better. And you do realize you're partially complimenting shale right?
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