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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 9:38:11 GMT -5
Just need to vent a little, as a GM of one of the "have-nots" in this league, as opposed to the "haves". The lack of parity in this league makes it to where the only way to rebuild is to draft and draft and draft and have bad year after bad year, which takes a REALLY long time, and which is getting increasingly frustrating. It used to be, even when this league was young, a team like mine could sign a free agent stud to a year long contract, if I wasn't in contention, I could move him to a contender for a prospect, and keep building up my farm system. I've found it increasingly difficult the further we go to even generate any trade conversation. Granted, this sim season has been my toughest as far as real life things keeping me away from being as active as normal, but I've posted Charlie Lau, I believe more than once, and can't even get a sniff. I know he's 34, but he's in the last year of an affordable contract, he's posting an .816 OPS from the CATCHER spot, he's throwing out a third of all base runners trying to steal, and not even a sniff. I post George Altman, same deal, last year of a relatively affordable deal, he's 34, and not having his best season, still, has 18 homers, a lifetime .260 hitter, not like he's hitting below .200, he's hitting .242 with a .742 OPS. Nothing. I'd move him for a 3rd round pick at this point. Not one PM. Yesterday I post some younger guys. Mack Jones, Pepitone, Pizarro. I had posted Yoneda earlier this season, dude's got 12 wins with a 3.38 ERA, is 29, signed ultra cheap, has great ratings. Not one person PM'd. I don't know what the answer is, but when you're a team TRYING to find a way to get in to contention, hell, get above .500, letting above replacement level players just walk without getting anything in return isn't exactly expediting the process. It seems there are a handful of teams willing to trade youth for experienced vets sometimes, but hardly anybody. Vent over.
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Post by Matt on Dec 2, 2015 10:23:27 GMT -5
I agree. I've posted a trade block the past 3 seasons. I don't think much of anyone has asked about anyone on the block.
I'd love to trade more, but I've put myself up against a salary wall that I can't go over anymore. You know it's a pitching heavy league when I can't get a sniff of an offer on Kaiser. Then you look at the waiver wire and Thorpe only gets 2 claims.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 2, 2015 11:15:00 GMT -5
A lot of the teams competing already got set pieces to compete and are pushing payroll... i know im set to lose more money than i ever wanted to. And took 4 sims to decide whether or not to trade for bloomfield from baltimore. Parity is there.... look at minny....they won the division last year and were in it most of this year..... they will probably win it next year. if a team makes a good team like detroit or pittsburgh...you expect them not to be at the top for awhile? at least until those good players are old and done. There teams arent really one and done teams.
As for trading ya its ridiculous in this league...as soon as a guy is over 30 it seems some gms think the guy is worthless and there for if they want him they must get him for nothing.
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Post by stooolfan on Dec 2, 2015 11:20:13 GMT -5
Most leagues 34 = worthless homie
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Post by bigmark on Dec 2, 2015 11:22:02 GMT -5
Most leagues 34 = worthless homie I'll agree but sometimes those guys can be the last piece for a team for a year or two but in this league its worth that number is more like 30.....
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Post by Matt on Dec 2, 2015 11:24:44 GMT -5
Most leagues 34 = worthless homie Most leagues, but not this one. I've seen multiple guys make it to late 30s. I don't think Stan really dropped to worthless until 37-38. That is one thing I have noticed about here. Older guys usually last longer.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 2, 2015 11:31:27 GMT -5
Most leagues 34 = worthless homie Most leagues, but not this one. I've seen multiple guys make it to late 30s. I don't think Stan really dropped to worthless until 37-38. That is one thing I have noticed about here. Older guys usually last longer. True....my offense is living proof of that....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 11:40:56 GMT -5
Most leagues 34 = worthless homie I would say look at the numbers Lau is posting from the catcher spot. That's not worthless by any means. The problem is there is only 5 teams contending for 4 playoff spots, so 5 teams that it would make sense to make a move for veterans, and most of those teams are set. If there were 8 or 10 teams in contention the trade market would open up. I guess I should clarify, it's not really a lack of parity as much as a lack of numbers of contending teams in any given year. When you have 3 divisions locked up by the All-Star break and the other division has 2 teams contending, your options are limited. That, and people do treat above 30's as worthless, even though that's not the case.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Dec 2, 2015 13:50:05 GMT -5
i've been saying this for years and only got hate in return
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Post by Danny Glover on Dec 2, 2015 14:32:17 GMT -5
I've found it quite easy to rebuild...I've got a bunch of serviceable Arms not named Ryan or Walker I'd like to move for hitting prospects...
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Post by Danny Glover on Dec 2, 2015 14:36:32 GMT -5
I've got a catching prospect or two if any body needs one.
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Post by RoyalsGM on Dec 2, 2015 16:05:00 GMT -5
The wildcard will help.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 2, 2015 19:28:30 GMT -5
No one needs mediocre pitching. There are so many 7 and 8 AR guys. Its crazy. Everyone needs elite players cause 7 and 8 are mediocre.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 2, 2015 19:31:30 GMT -5
Also...TDerr and Jeremy are better than every GM here,so ya.
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Post by bigmark on Dec 2, 2015 20:28:46 GMT -5
it comes down to this league is over saturated in talent...should i have 3 guys on my team with brilliant in hits? heck no....no one should...it should be rare but its not....to be an usable pitcher you gotta have at least 3 or 4 brilliant..... there is too much talent ...hopefully the expansion will help...i see my team and few others getting picked apart.
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Post by Darryl on Dec 2, 2015 20:32:10 GMT -5
I run into the "my old guys are worth a lot, but your old guys are worth nothing."
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Post by soonerfantu on Dec 2, 2015 20:35:54 GMT -5
Also...TDerr and Jeremy are better than every GM here,so ya. I'd have preferred you putting my name first (Jeremy and TDerr), but I agree.
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Post by soonerfantu on Dec 2, 2015 20:39:29 GMT -5
A couple of points -
1. If you are complaining about how difficult it is to rebuild, yet you voted against bringing on the Wild Cards as soon as possible, well, it's difficult to feel sorry for you.
2. Trade value is determined by what people are willing to trade. I don't care what a certain talent level gets you in another league. A lot of guys overvalue older players here, and undervalue prospects, especially prospects that are ML ready or very near. IMO, of course.
3. Every league I've ever played in that started this far back have had the inflation problem. It's about to come to an end, as there aren't many players left that were on original rosters. That, and other factors, will lead to a return to the "norm" soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 22:12:44 GMT -5
A couple of points - 1. If you are complaining about how difficult it is to rebuild, yet you voted against bringing on the Wild Cards as soon as possible, well, it's difficult to feel sorry for you.2. Trade value is determined by what people are willing to trade. I don't care what a certain talent level gets you in another league. A lot of guys overvalue older players here, and undervalue prospects, especially prospects that are ML ready or very near. IMO, of course. 3. Every league I've ever played in that started this far back have had the inflation problem. It's about to come to an end, as there aren't many players left that were on original rosters. That, and other factors, will lead to a return to the "norm" soon enough. I am, and I get it. I'll always vote for historical accuracy, but it's incredibly irritating to have "trading" no longer be a way to expedite a rebuild, because nobody trades. I don't blame the contenders at all, I certainly wouldn't give up spects for 34 year old catchers if I didn't have to. If we didn't have such a disparity between the haves and the have nots there would be more of a market for those type of players as others tried to contend.
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Post by RoyalsGM on Dec 2, 2015 23:55:59 GMT -5
I made three big trades at/near the deadline, got more than I expected actually. I had five or six GMs contact me for those players. You just have to work at it if you want to make trades...and not everyone is looking to trade at any given time. You guys always know when I'm looking to move players, but the rest of the time I'm pretty dormant. That's by design and I don't think it's a detriment to the league somehow. I think the real issue is getting stuck behind a dominant team without any wildcard possibility, which will be rectified soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 0:10:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to "work it". I post blocks, usually I post what I'm looking for in return, typically I look at all of the contenders to see if there's a fit and then try to reach out via PM if I see a fit. Not sure what else to do. Matt C. has always been easy to make deals with in the past, not afraid of moving prospects for veterans, but now I think he's up against it salary wise and isn't competing. Stool in the past has been pretty good. Jeremy values his AAAA guys like major leaguer's and then thinks your stupid if you don't view them the same. Sorry Jeremy, just how I see it If they were so great, you should call them up and put them on your roster, lol. I've made a deal or two in the past with Chris. Just seems the last 2-3 years it's gotten to the point of being impossible. A number of seasons ago I made a few with the White Sox. I see no value in posting my blocks right now. And the only way to keep rebuilding is by good drafting, and continuing to lose to get high picks. Kind of a catch 22
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Dec 3, 2015 0:28:25 GMT -5
No one needs mediocre pitching. There are so many 7 and 8 AR guys. Its crazy. Everyone needs elite players cause 7 and 8 are mediocre. This
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Dec 3, 2015 0:42:43 GMT -5
A lot of luck has to be involved with PD's generally speaking. Certain teams have definitely gotten the benefit of the doubt more than others and clearly, those that have had better PD luck with spects have had an easier time trading to improve their teams 1 way or another.
Not everyone can afford to field a team full of superstars too. It's pretty amazing though that some of the payrolls here aren't completely out of control.
And while a good chunk of the teams haven't made too many moves generally speaking over time, others have certainly been more active. I would have been more active with trading in the past couple seasons, but I've had a particular plan in mind in which I will ideally make my big moves when I feel the time is right. And that time is coming soon. I mean why make moves to do better right now when there was no way I'd catch the Pirates. The Cardinals already have a great pitching staff of their own, but I'm not there yet.
It really all comes down to the timing of everyone's moves. Different teams want to compete at different times, while others feel it's time to retool at other times. It's hard to find a good match these days, but it's a good challenge. And I completely agree about the notion of players over 30 being worthless being stupid. They can be very useful additions at the right times.
And different divisions cycle differently. Each division has had at least one notable dynasty since divisional play began (Yankees, Tigers, White Sox, Pirates, Dodgers). The challenge for the rest of us is to find the right time to strike when trying to figure out when the given divisional rival will start to fall off. Being over-aggressive can set your future back, but not making enough moves can waste potential opportunities. It's not easy to take down a dynasty and again, every division right now has this challenge.
I can't wait for realignment though and I really hope it makes this league more competitive.
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Post by CSCommish on Dec 3, 2015 7:45:23 GMT -5
I am open to ideas!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 8:41:04 GMT -5
I wish I had some. I do think the wild card fixes things to an extent. Jeremy is insistent that getting the original players out of the system helps, although I'm not smart enough to know how.
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