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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:26:06 GMT -5
I talked to Chris about this already and he was fine with it and suggested I post for discussion.
Spring Training is a time for players to work on things. In real life, you see pitchers work on a new pitch fairly regularly and them regularly use it in the regular season.
Guys can work on everything else in ST. Why not give the ability to "purchase" a new pitch during ST for a pitcher? It's more realistic than some of the other things we can do.
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Post by Reddington on Feb 28, 2018 15:00:25 GMT -5
though I think it should be exponentially more expensive per pitch added... a guy with 2 pitches gets a 3rd cheap, but a guy with 5 pitches his 6th is gonna be EXPENSIVE also should limit it to 1 or 2 additional pitches, that way Pat Zachery doesn't "learn" 9 new pitches over his career
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Feb 28, 2018 15:48:05 GMT -5
Yeah I like this proposal but it would have to be run with some limitations. Not to mention, some pitches in reality can be easier to learn. I'd think a change-up would be a lot easier than a screwball or knuckleball to learn obviously. I just don't wanna see everyone with screwballs and knuckleballs because a small minority of pitchers in reality even know how to throw those pitches. Great idea again, but we'd need to really discuss reasonable limitations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 16:29:48 GMT -5
Agree completely with both. I like 3rd being cheaper than 4th, 4th cheaper than 5th, etc. And cost based on pitch type.
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 5, 2018 16:31:42 GMT -5
OK, I'll do this ... question is what the points should be. I am thinking:
2nd pitch: 10
3rd pitch: 15
4th pitch: 25
5th pitch: 40
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Mar 5, 2018 19:06:31 GMT -5
OK, I'll do this ... question is what the points should be. I am thinking: 2nd pitch: 10 3rd pitch: 15 4th pitch: 25 5th pitch: 40 I think we should determine which pitches should be worth the most on their own before determining point pricing. |
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 5, 2018 19:11:41 GMT -5
OK, I'll do this ... question is what the points should be. I am thinking: 2nd pitch: 10 3rd pitch: 15 4th pitch: 25 5th pitch: 40 I think we should determine which pitches should be worth the most on their own before determining point pricing. Good idea, open to suggestions as to points. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Mar 5, 2018 19:14:18 GMT -5
Pretty sure the 7 pitches in question are curveballs, change-ups, sliders, sinkers, split fingered fastballs, screwballs and knuckleballs. Obviously curveballs and change-ups are the most common among these so those should be the cheapest. Sliders too they're common enough. Sinkers and splitters should be 2nd tier and of course the last 2 are very rare so they should be most expensive.
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 5, 2018 19:45:43 GMT -5
are they expensive because they are rare or because they are more effective? That's my main question.
Sounds like a project =)
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Post by Reddington on Mar 5, 2018 21:14:31 GMT -5
guess I have multiple tests this season  |
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Post by Zach on Mar 5, 2018 21:56:08 GMT -5
I said no because I feel it can get too complicated to manage, rather leave it at the current simplicity
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 22:13:53 GMT -5
TIER 1 PITCHES (change, curve, slider) - 5 pts
TIER 2 PITCHES (sinker, split) - 10 pts
TIER 3 PITCHES (knuckle, screw) - 25 pts
I think every pitcher has at least 2 pitches. Haven't seen a 1 pitch pitcher, so pricing starts at 3rd pitch IMO.
Pricing tiered like above +5 If 3rd pitch, +10 if 4th pitch, +25 If 5th pitch.
Change/sink/knuckle as 3rd? 10/15/35
Change/sink/knuckle as 4th? 15/20/40
Change/sink/knuckle as 5th? 25/30/50
Something like that. Tiered pricing for pitches + fee for how many pitches similar to duration increase (+5 If sp).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 22:15:02 GMT -5
Realistically will see mostly 3rd pitches added and maybe some 4ths.
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Post by Reddington on Mar 6, 2018 10:55:50 GMT -5
TIER 1 PITCHES (change, curve, slider) - 5 pts TIER 2 PITCHES (sinker, split) - 10 pts TIER 3 PITCHES (knuckle, screw) - 25 pts I think every pitcher has at least 2 pitches. Haven't seen a 1 pitch pitcher, so pricing starts at 3rd pitch IMO. Pricing tiered like above +5 If 3rd pitch, +10 if 4th pitch, +25 If 5th pitch. Change/sink/knuckle as 3rd? 10/15/35 Change/sink/knuckle as 4th? 15/20/40 Change/sink/knuckle as 5th? 25/30/50 Something like that. Tiered pricing for pitches + fee for how many pitches similar to duration increase (+5 If sp). I like it, however I think you should also only get to add max of 2, per pitcher |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Mar 6, 2018 13:41:27 GMT -5
TIER 1 PITCHES (change, curve, slider) - 5 pts TIER 2 PITCHES (sinker, split) - 10 pts TIER 3 PITCHES (knuckle, screw) - 25 pts I think every pitcher has at least 2 pitches. Haven't seen a 1 pitch pitcher, so pricing starts at 3rd pitch IMO. Pricing tiered like above +5 If 3rd pitch, +10 if 4th pitch, +25 If 5th pitch. Change/sink/knuckle as 3rd? 10/15/35 Change/sink/knuckle as 4th? 15/20/40 Change/sink/knuckle as 5th? 25/30/50 Something like that. Tiered pricing for pitches + fee for how many pitches similar to duration increase (+5 If sp). I like it, however I think you should also only get to add max of 2, per pitcher Completely agree. 2-3 is enough for additions per pitcher. |
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Post by Reddington on Mar 6, 2018 13:58:21 GMT -5
wow, the no's have picked up tremendously ...  |
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Post by dougiejays on Mar 7, 2018 17:59:40 GMT -5
Ugh. More modifications?
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 10, 2018 1:30:56 GMT -5
I said no. This gets too wonky too fast. I don't need to see every long reliever with a knuckleball and every closer having a slider splitter screwball combo
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Post by Reddington on Mar 10, 2018 21:09:03 GMT -5
I said no. This gets too wonky too fast. I don't need to see every long reliever with a knuckleball and every closer having a slider splitter screwball combo that would be omg expensive to do, but cie la vie... how would people feel about letting a 2 pitch pitcher buy a 3rd pitch, with the limit being a curve or a changeup? |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 11, 2018 7:48:28 GMT -5
I'm ok with it if the only choices were slider curve change sinker splitter
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 11, 2018 7:49:04 GMT -5
Knuckle and screw are too rare in real life to start handing out
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Post by Zach on Mar 11, 2018 15:33:59 GMT -5
Only able to add slider curve change sinker splitter, max of 5 total pitches and a max of 2 added pitches allowed per pitcher
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Post by Reddington on Mar 11, 2018 15:48:34 GMT -5
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