Do Rings Truly Equal Respect in this League?

[Sha-Le Unique]

I've been in this league since the start, and since day one, I've tried my very best to assert myself as one of the top 5 GM's in this league, as far as skill within OOTP.

However, all these seasons later, I am still without a ring of my own. To this day, I do take 50% of the credit for Stool's 1965 and 1966 Pirates championships, since I built the core of that team, while he just made a few big additions to really put them over the top. However, those are still credited as his rings and not mine. 3 pennants and no rings are all I have to my name here and an endless amount of frustration along with it.

In recent time, I've talked to a few GM's about this topic and whether championship rings are all that really matters when playing this league. I also personally consider myself a more skilled GM with more consistent success than a couple GM's here that have had smaller spurts of success that happened to include a championship ring. Yes they may have gotten lucky in a way, but it's disheartening to see a lesser skilled GM barely tread water then all of a sudden catch lightning in a bottle and get a ring few if any may have expected them to win due to lack of effort.

My question is: Do you all value championship rings over consistent regular season success when determining whether a GM here is skilled or not? Is it the other way around? Or a combination of the two?

I know my inability to win a ring here has gotten me noticeably depressed at times, but I wanna know exactly how everyone else perceives this.

[Sha-Le Unique]

And for the record, my top 5 historically would have to be (in no particular order) Chris, Trevor, Matt C., Jeremy and Mark, since they each have 3+ rings and have been (or in Jeremy's case, had been) here for a very long time. Zach has 3 rings too, but obviously, hasn't been around as much.

That list alone motivates me significantly lol

[Deleted]

I'll start. You take this way too seriously. It's an internet league. Why would you possibly give a fuck what a bunch of strangers think about you? The end.

[CSCommish]

Personally, the best GMs are active GMs. I love that everyone took the time out to enjoy this hobby with me. I've been commishing for a long time and I don't think I am particularly great at it but it helps to have an active league with volunteers to help me through this (without them, I'm not running this league), love to see lots of trades and it's especially endearing when other GMs find other GMs for me.

I prefer not to rank GMs, but I tend to value consistency, or rather consistently winning (not necessarily championships), particularly those with a non-big market. I may have won 6 or 7 (if you count last season lol) championships, but it helps I had a larger market and I run the sims, so I am more familiar with ratings, who to reach out to for trades, etc. Perhaps not giving myself points negates the larger market, but no more! Now it's for reals.

Also, I do agree with Matt --- I think you take this too seriously. If you REALLY need to measure yourself against something to satisfy yourself, just make the playoffs --- at that point, it's a crapshoot, so don't look at the championships.

[tadontask]

Chris is the only one here I know, so everyone else is just a screen name. Those who get my respect are those who contribute insightful and constructive conversation regarding league matters. Those who offer fair trades and understand when we simply don't have a match. Those who reply to my trade offers. Those who don't go around throwing insults and derailing the thread when the league is trying to solve an issue such as tanking. I couldn't care less who wins.

I've said this many times - I'm just interested in managing a team, setting lineups and drafting players. It's particularly fun for me right now as we're entering the years when I started following baseball. I doubt my approach leads to any rings, and I'm fine with that (as are the teams in my division). I can still enjoy all this. If that doesn't earn me respect in someone's mind, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Want to add that I also have respect for teams that are bad and clearly out of it, but still bothering to set their lineups and send in exports all season.

Being laid back and enjoying this, and having a competitive personality aren't totally mutually exclusive. You can do both.

[Sha-Le Unique]

Jun 16, 2019 20:03:03 GMT -5 @cubsgm said:

I'll start. You take this way too seriously. It's an internet league. Why would you possibly give a fuck what a bunch of strangers think about you? The end.

Because I’m competitive and I expect everyone else to have at least some level of competitive desire or else why bother being here in the first place?

[Sha-Le Unique]

Jun 16, 2019 21:01:13 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Personally, the best GMs are active GMs. I love that everyone took the time out to enjoy this hobby with me. I've been commishing for a long time and I don't think I am particularly great at it but it helps to have an active league with volunteers to help me through this (without them, I'm not running this league), love to see lots of trades and it's especially endearing when other GMs find other GMs for me.

I prefer not to rank GMs, but I tend to value consistency, or rather consistently winning (not necessarily championships), particularly those with a non-big market. I may have won 6 or 7 (if you count last season lol) championships, but it helps I had a larger market and I run the sims, so I am more familiar with ratings, who to reach out to for trades, etc. Perhaps not giving myself points negates the larger market, but no more! Now it's for reals.

Also, I do agree with Matt --- I think you take this too seriously. If you REALLY need to measure yourself against something to satisfy yourself, just make the playoffs --- at that point, it's a crapshoot, so don't look at the championships.

I just know for sure that Matt C spends each day laughing at how he has 5 rings and I have 0. I mean shit I would if the tables were turned.

[Matt]

Jun 16, 2019 21:40:43 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

Jun 16, 2019 21:01:13 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Personally, the best GMs are active GMs. I love that everyone took the time out to enjoy this hobby with me. I've been commishing for a long time and I don't think I am particularly great at it but it helps to have an active league with volunteers to help me through this (without them, I'm not running this league), love to see lots of trades and it's especially endearing when other GMs find other GMs for me.

I prefer not to rank GMs, but I tend to value consistency, or rather consistently winning (not necessarily championships), particularly those with a non-big market. I may have won 6 or 7 (if you count last season lol) championships, but it helps I had a larger market and I run the sims, so I am more familiar with ratings, who to reach out to for trades, etc. Perhaps not giving myself points negates the larger market, but no more! Now it's for reals.

Also, I do agree with Matt --- I think you take this too seriously. If you REALLY need to measure yourself against something to satisfy yourself, just make the playoffs --- at that point, it's a crapshoot, so don't look at the championships.

I just know for sure that Matt C spends each day laughing at how he has 5 rings and I have 0. I mean shit I would if the tables were turned.

I've won 5 rings?  I couldn't have told you how many times I've won.   I'm more annoyed I've made the playoffs and choked the past few seasons. 

[Reddington]

what Chris and Philly said

[tadontask]

The great Olympic coach Irving Blitzer once told his best athlete, Derice Bannock, that "A gold medal is a wonderful thing. But if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it."

[bigmark]

It's a for fun league.... I've actually had more more fun doing a full rebuild while wheeling n dealing. Do I care if I were win another series? Not really... I just like the gming aspect of the game. If you're stressing over what other GM's think of you in an online league... You are putting too much into this. Personally I could care less what others think or if they like me... I'm about fairness and fun. I'm a fun guy *Kawhi laugh*

[dougiejays]

I would love to win a championship but a) I font care as much as this thread makes out and b) in baseball in general, and especially in sim league baseball, making the playoffs is a much better indication of success than WS wins.

[Spencer]

Hi Shale!

[Reddington]

Jun 17, 2019 17:02:17 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

especially in sim league baseball, making the playoffs is a much better indication of success than WS wins.

especially since ootp5 has a tendency to let the underdawg win it all

[Sha-Le Unique]

So basically what you’re all trying to say is that my jealousy towards Matt C having 5 rings compared to my 0 does not necessarily mean you all think of him as a better GM than me? Nothing here would satisfy me more than for as many GM’s to say I’m more skilled than he is despite his lucky ass rings.

As much as I wanna win titles, I wanna see an arch nemesis like him suffer so I can start my trek towards catching up without that trek becoming more steep.

Remember this is coming from an envious Mets fan whose Yankee friends had happier times in baseball growing up.

[Sha-Le Unique]

I should just make a poll for everyone except Matt C and I can vote whether they think I’m a more skilled GM than he is or vice versa. Maybe then all these thoughts in my head could finally get put to rest.

[Spencer]

Shale i think youre a very good gm. Matt is also very good. Yay!

[Deleted]

Jun 17, 2019 20:48:26 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

So basically what you’re all trying to say is that my jealousy towards Matt C having 5 rings compared to my 0 does not necessarily mean you all think of him as a better GM than me? Nothing here would satisfy me more than for as many GM’s to say I’m more skilled than he is despite his lucky ass rings.

As much as I wanna win titles, I wanna see an arch nemesis like him suffer so I can start my trek towards catching up without that trek becoming more steep.

Remember this is coming from an envious Mets fan whose Yankee friends had happier times in baseball growing up.

Let me help. How much time in my life have I taken to consider who's the better GM, Matt C or Shale? Absolutely zero.
Not even one second. On a side note, Jeebus Matty are you living in this cats head. Wow.

[Sha-Le Unique]

Jun 17, 2019 21:04:55 GMT -5 @cubsgm said:

Jun 17, 2019 20:48:26 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

So basically what you’re all trying to say is that my jealousy towards Matt C having 5 rings compared to my 0 does not necessarily mean you all think of him as a better GM than me? Nothing here would satisfy me more than for as many GM’s to say I’m more skilled than he is despite his lucky ass rings.

As much as I wanna win titles, I wanna see an arch nemesis like him suffer so I can start my trek towards catching up without that trek becoming more steep.

Remember this is coming from an envious Mets fan whose Yankee friends had happier times in baseball growing up.

Let me help. How much time in my life have I taken to consider who's the better GM, Matt C or Shale? Absolutely zero.
Not even one second. On a side note, Jeebus Matty are you living in this cats head. Wow.

I can answer that. Yes. His presence in this league definitely gets in my head at times. It’s just really hard for me to see a worse human being than myself be more successful than me at even one single aspect of life.

[Reddington]

Shale, WS wins are a crap shoot with ootp5. having the best team means nothing. all my WS wins in the various leagues, most have come when my team was one of the worst going into the playoffs.

Matt's 5 nor my 1 mean anything as to our ability. Being active, IS the most important aspect of being a good GM. Yeah it's nice to to get the ring but the real challenge is to overcome all the handicaps ootp5 throws at teams.

Me I'm a sucker for trying to get players certain stats and tbh that is more important to me that winning it all. When I traded you for Seaver, my main goal was 300 wins, nothing else, cause I liked him when I was younger etc.

I know you want a WS here, but the reality is, not having one has zero bearing on your ability. All it does if give ya something to put in your signature, cause 2 weeks later we're onto the next season.

[Matt]

This is great!!!

🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

I'm a worse human being.... let's remember who called me a racist? That would the one, the only.....Ringless Shale!

[Sha-Le Unique]

Jun 17, 2019 21:19:24 GMT -5 Matt said:

This is great!!!

🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

I'm a worse human being.... let's remember who called me a racist? That would the one, the only.....Ringless Shale!

Yeah anyone that voted for Trump is easily a worse human than myself...

[Reddington]

Jun 17, 2019 21:09:23 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

Jun 17, 2019 21:04:55 GMT -5 @cubsgm said:

Let me help. How much time in my life have I taken to consider who's the better GM, Matt C or Shale? Absolutely zero.
Not even one second. On a side note, Jeebus Matty are you living in this cats head. Wow.

I can answer that. Yes. His presence in this league definitely gets in my head at times. It’s just really hard for me to see a worse human being than myself be more successful than me at even one single aspect of life.

dude.  I know you have issues with Matt, but that is uncalled for.  He can annoy me, but he also does something that is noble, which is to teach the youth, something I could never do.

[Sha-Le Unique]

Jun 17, 2019 21:20:54 GMT -5 Reddington said:

Jun 17, 2019 21:09:23 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

I can answer that. Yes. His presence in this league definitely gets in my head at times. It’s just really hard for me to see a worse human being than myself be more successful than me at even one single aspect of life.

dude.  I know you have issues with Matt, but that is uncalled for.  He can annoy me, but he also does something that is noble, which is to teach the youth, something I could never do.

Like I said in my last post before this he and and anyone else that voted for Donald Trump is not a model human in any way shape or form. That is all I’m referring to when saying all this.

[Matt]

Jun 17, 2019 21:22:10 GMT -5 Sha-Le Unique said:

Jun 17, 2019 21:20:54 GMT -5 Reddington said:

dude.  I know you have issues with Matt, but that is uncalled for.  He can annoy me, but he also does something that is noble, which is to teach the youth, something I could never do.

Like I said in my last post before this he and and anyone else that voted for Donald Trump is not a model human in any way shape or form. That is all I’m referring to when saying all this.

Hillary's run was about as successful as this poll!