Excess Profit rule

[jahallstar]

I would vote yes. Or only players for cash not 'points'

[Matt]

Aug 20, 2019 16:39:34 GMT -5 jahallstar said:

I would vote yes. Or only players for cash not 'points'

 Agreed. 

[RoyalsGM]

My two cents: no annual profit limit, keep the cash limit at $50m, and keep the stadium cap. Stadiums are the path to permanent increases in revenue, the teams in the largest markets have a built-in ability to generate more cash than smaller markets and therefore an easier path to stadium upgrades/construction, thus the stadium cap prevents this self-perpetuating cycle of revenue increases for larger market teams from drastically increasing the competitive difference between larger and smaller market teams.

[bigmark]

Aug 20, 2019 16:51:39 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

My two cents: no annual profit limit, keep the cash limit at $50m, and keep the stadium cap. Stadiums are the path to permanent increases in revenue, the teams in the largest markets have a built-in ability to generate more cash than smaller markets and therefore an easier path to stadium upgrades/construction, thus the stadium cap prevents this self-perpetuating cycle of revenue increases for larger market teams from drastically increasing the competitive difference between larger and smaller market teams.

Agree with this

[Reddington]

Aug 20, 2019 15:14:46 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Aug 20, 2019 15:06:17 GMT -5 bigmark said:

I do the financials every off season there really isn't. And again why should the teams who actually take mind of financials and don't constantly run negative be punished?

I agree money’s pretty tight in this league. But unrestricted financials can lead teams to build up crazy banks which lets them have complete flexibility for like a decade. Nothing wrong with loosening it up a bit year-to-year but letting cash-rich teams hoard over the long term creates competitive imbalance.

the only reason money is tight is most people dont know how to expand their stadiums and run cash surplusses.  3 of the last 4 seasons in lbb I didn't do shit, was 20 games back and still made more money than most the teams.

[dougiejays]

I don’t understand how expanding my stadium would help when I’m barely drawing 20k as it is...

[Spencer]

Aug 20, 2019 23:20:43 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I don’t understand how expanding my stadium would help when I’m barely drawing 20k as it is...

Im guessing it has to do with fan loyalty and optimal ticket prices.

[Spencer]

But ya. Im not sure what Brian means by cash surpluses orher than not consistently over spending and valuing cash as the commodity it is.

[Boston Red Sox]

Aug 20, 2019 22:54:12 GMT -5 Reddington said:

Aug 20, 2019 15:14:46 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I agree money’s pretty tight in this league. But unrestricted financials can lead teams to build up crazy banks which lets them have complete flexibility for like a decade. Nothing wrong with loosening it up a bit year-to-year but letting cash-rich teams hoard over the long term creates competitive imbalance.

the only reason money is tight is most people dont know how to expand their stadiums and run cash surplusses.  3 of the last 4 seasons in lbb I didn't do shit, was 20 games back and still made more money than most the teams.

Lol that angling. You still had over 100 wins while "20 games back"

[dgfred]

The only way to compete in this league is to have the money to buy points to upgrade... there are rarely free agents that everyone wants/has to get. We have money because there are no free agents worth buying, our team is decent, and the young guys haven't had to be paid yet. Luckily everyone needs money and has points to give. Even rebuilding... I don't see teams 'hoarding' money because you have to get guys good fast to compete with the already-powerhouse teams.

[Spencer]

Aug 21, 2019 14:28:58 GMT -5 dgfred said:

The only way to compete in this league is to have the money to buy points to upgrade... there are rarely free agents that everyone wants/has to get. We have money because there are no free agents worth buying, our team is decent, and the young guys haven't had to be paid yet. Luckily everyone needs money and has points to give. Even rebuilding... I don't see teams 'hoarding' money because you have to get guys good fast to compete with the already-powerhouse teams.

Disagree.

Some teams are not proactive enough to put together teams worthy of winning.

Half the league stands pat every year. Cant compete if you dont try

[dgfred]

That has nothing to do with what I said. Not trying is not an option I was considering.

[Spencer]

Aug 21, 2019 14:43:54 GMT -5 dgfred said:

That has nothing to do with what I said. Not trying is not an option I was considering.

It is directly about that you said. You said the only way to win is to have cash to buy points to upgrade. I disagree. Reward points help but are not required. What is required is actively pursuing better players at all costs. Teams that consistently win are looking at every possible scenario to get better. Other teams rebuild over and over again without looking outside the box and then throw their hands up and say " i cant win". Then occasionally catch lightning in a bottle every 10 years.

[jahallstar]

There are not superstar FAs a lot. But you can for sure give your team a major boost in FA.

[dougiejays]

Which means spending money instead of saving it...

[Reddington]

Aug 21, 2019 12:11:24 GMT -5 Boston Red Sox said:

Aug 20, 2019 22:54:12 GMT -5 Reddington said:

the only reason money is tight is most people dont know how to expand their stadiums and run cash surplusses.  3 of the last 4 seasons in lbb I didn't do shit, was 20 games back and still made more money than most the teams.

Lol that angling. You still had over 100 wins while "20 games back"

games back is what causes fan interest to tank.  I lost 40 points in 2 years including one of the seasons I won the WS

[bub6708]

Aug 21, 2019 15:55:13 GMT -5 Reddington said:

games back is what causes fan interest to tank.

This.

[Matt]

It truly affected 2 teams last season (3 but the 3rd was negligible) both of which are in full blown rebuild or on their way out of a rebuild with some young guys and cheap contracts.

[Danchevy]

Can't see getting rid of this cap. It's a check that keeps teams from benefitting from fielding completely uncompetetive teams.

It also keeps a soft cap on the amount of in game cash league wide from year to year.

For people saying that this would benefit a team who is rebuilding because it would allow for more cash per year to be moved for points to upgrade players, you would be wrong.

Right now people are paying a all time high for cash. This is because there is not an excess available.

If you aloud every team who is rebuilding to bank 50 mil game cash every year, there would be such an excess that any team buying would pay much less.

Supply and demand. 20 mil game cash with this cap will net you the same that 50 mil would net you without a cap.

[Spencer]

There are plusses and minuses to both ideas. Id rather have control over my own cash. Id rather not lose earned cash. Ill deal with the fallout.

[Spencer]

Aug 21, 2019 16:48:36 GMT -5 Matt said:

It truly affected 2 teams last season (3 but the 3rd was negligible) both of which are in full blown rebuild or on their way out of a rebuild with some young guys and cheap contracts.

It really only affects tanking teams in the 1st or 2nd year of a tank.

[dougiejays]

Aug 21, 2019 17:07:15 GMT -5 Spencer said:

There are plusses and minuses to both ideas. Id rather have control over my own cash. Id rather not lose earned cash. Ill deal with the fallout.

So...spend it?

[Spencer]

Aug 21, 2019 17:12:08 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Aug 21, 2019 17:07:15 GMT -5 Spencer said:

There are plusses and minuses to both ideas. Id rather have control over my own cash. Id rather not lose earned cash. Ill deal with the fallout.

So...spend it?

If im tanking i don't want to spend it. I want to save it for when i try to win. And that should be my choice

[Reddington]

Aug 21, 2019 16:52:23 GMT -5 Danchevy said:

Can't see getting rid of this cap. It's a check that keeps teams from benefitting from fielding completely uncompetetive teams.

It also keeps a soft cap on the amount of in game cash league wide from year to year.

For people saying that this would benefit a team who is rebuilding because it would allow for more cash per year to be moved for points to upgrade players, you would be wrong.

Right now people are paying a all time high for cash. This is because there is not an excess available.

If you aloud every team who is rebuilding to bank 50 mil game cash every year, there would be such an excess that any team buying would pay much less.

Supply and demand. 20 mil game cash with this cap will net you the same that 50 mil would net you without a cap.

how so, they could only benefit a year or 2 max before they hit the 50 mil cap, unless they were selling all their cash.  


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The other problem is stadium cash is maxed at 100 mil, and what exactly am I suppose to do now, as I've maxed my stadium out there is nothing to spend money on, other than the sake of just doing a build for the f of it.  What if I do another transition like I did 79-81 where I won the division every year, but via a couple shrewd moves had a pretty dang low salary, and had 94 million in profits.  Currently 34 million of that would be forced to be pissed away cause I cant even trade it.

I posted a suggestion to try and break the strangle hold big market teams have on small market which would at least give us something to do with the cash, but from this point forward, if I make more than 20 million in any season, it's wasted.  (er I need to pay like 7 million over the next 6 yrs) 

[dougiejays]

Is stadium $ tradeable?