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Post by tadontask on Jan 3, 2020 11:27:05 GMT -5
Hi all.
I was talking with Chris about a potential rule change, and he encouraged me to post a poll here.
The proposal would change how we consider the top prospect rankings each season for the fan interest boosts. The issue that I've seen is that long-time top prospects often get bumped from the list in favor of players who were just drafted. That makes perfect sense for a top prospects list, but for fan interest purposes, I thought it could use an adjustment.
My proposal is to use the top prospect list right before the file flip to determine the fan interest points for the following season, instead of the top prospects list post-draft.
To use a real HOFFBL league example, I can look at my own Phillies organization. Shortly after being drafted in 1986, Jeff King began climbing the top prospects list. He peaked as the #6 hitter on the 1988 list, which would have given me 15 much needed points. Unfortunately, when I called him up at the beginning of the 1989 season, he was already off the list, and was bumped off by players just drafted, including Jeff Kent, drafted by the Phillies in the 1989 draft and ranked 10th among hitters on the prospects list.
The way the current rule is, I got 0 points for calling up Jeff King (essentially losing 15 points because I gave him more time to mature in the minors), my #1 prospect for 3 years, but I would get 11 fan interest points for calling up Jeff Kent, a 20-year old (at the time) who likely isn't ready for the majors. There are other players on that list that were just drafted and simply aren't ready. I believe the fan base would actually be more excited about seeing a guy like King debut, rather than a just drafted guy like Kent who would likely struggle mightily in the big leagues.
With this proposal, for example, the 1990 fan interest points would be determined by the 1989 prospect rankings right before the file flip. An alternative would be to use the most recent top prospects list, but remove the just-drafted players. Though in rare cases, a just drafted player could appear, and we would have to consider what may happens in those instances.
I hope my explanation was clear. Thank you for your time! |
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dgfred
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Post by dgfred on Jan 3, 2020 11:52:34 GMT -5
Voted
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Matt
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Post by Matt on Jan 3, 2020 12:06:51 GMT -5
I like the idea.
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 3, 2020 13:33:37 GMT -5
Good idea... I had Alomar thrown off the list cause if that and Bernie Williams.
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bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Jan 3, 2020 15:39:31 GMT -5
Voted.
Good idea.
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Post by tadontask on Jan 3, 2020 15:50:48 GMT -5
Good idea... I had Alomar thrown off the list cause if that and Bernie Williams. I assumed I wasn't the only one to run into this issue. If you're putting together a top prospect list based on which minor leaguers could have the best career, then yeah, just drafted guys would be highly considered. But if it's for fan interest, I think the list would look a little different.
There could even be certain conditions like if you call up a player who isn't on the list but was on last year, you get 5 points. If he was on 2 years ago, you get 4. Etc. But for starters, changing when the list is populated is the easiest solution.
As for the poll, I apologize if it's hidden. That's the statistician in me believing that people should not see poll results before voting!
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Jan 3, 2020 19:07:17 GMT -5
I have noticed this happen, but it's hard to tell when the ideal time is to lock it in. For example, I noticed that Sheffield got bumped way down in preseason as draft picks got added to teams, but eventually there was some kind of recalibration and was back in the top 10 for Opening Day. I voted no not because I am completely against it but just because I think it adds unnecessary complications for a questionable result.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 5, 2020 10:22:12 GMT -5
This is looking like it will be a rule change which can be implemented starting next season, but before I do so, I would like to see a few more votes.
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Post by tadontask on Jan 6, 2020 13:10:17 GMT -5
This is looking like it will be a rule change which can be implemented starting next season, but before I do so, I would like to see a few more votes. I'm planning to lock the poll after the season ends. The results should be displayed once that happens. As the creator of the poll, I can't even see the results. Not sure if Chris can, as the owner of this forum. |
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2020 13:20:14 GMT -5
This is looking like it will be a rule change which can be implemented starting next season, but before I do so, I would like to see a few more votes. I'm planning to lock the poll after the season ends. The results should be displayed once that happens. As the creator of the poll, I can't even see the results. Not sure if Chris can, as the owner of this forum. It showed me after I voted |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2020 17:28:19 GMT -5
I'm planning to lock the poll after the season ends. The results should be displayed once that happens. As the creator of the poll, I can't even see the results. Not sure if Chris can, as the owner of this forum. It showed me after I voted you're a mod, ofc it showed you |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2020 17:30:33 GMT -5
This is looking like it will be a rule change which can be implemented starting next season, but before I do so, I would like to see a few more votes. I'm planning to lock the poll after the season ends. The results should be displayed once that happens. As the creator of the poll, I can't even see the results. Not sure if Chris can, as the owner of this forum. mods and above can see who voted but not how they voted |
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jan 6, 2020 17:37:29 GMT -5
It showed me after I voted you're a mod, ofc it showed you Haven't been a mod in awhile now very observant. |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jan 6, 2020 17:46:06 GMT -5
you're a mod, ofc it showed you Haven't been a mod in awhile now very observant. prol cause the polls I did when Dave wasn't avail is why I am so aware. But your mod times are coming up with an expansion on the horizon  |
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Post by tadontask on Jan 15, 2020 9:02:07 GMT -5
Bumping this. I'll ask Chris when he wants it to lock, but I expect it will be soon.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 15, 2020 20:54:12 GMT -5
I'll close this before the flip --- but yea, we'll go ahead and do this starting this flip.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 18, 2020 20:03:27 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, the end of season prospect rankings are at least partially determined by the minor league stats that these players have put up, but I see the arguments for this new rule change that I completely understand. I just think that prospect rankings should be determined strictly by ratings, since no one gives a shit about minor league stats that don't always pan out in the majors.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 18, 2020 20:04:58 GMT -5
Whatever leads to more points for everyone works for me Also, speaking of points, anyone that comes up with a particular rule change or addition that leads to a poll should be given 10 points apiece per poll, in my opinion. Good, helpful thoughts should always be rewarded. |
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Dale
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Post by Dale on Jan 19, 2020 10:22:48 GMT -5
I'll close this before the flip --- but yea, we'll go ahead and do this starting this flip. I voted for rule change |
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Post by tadontask on Jan 20, 2020 12:36:16 GMT -5
Thank you to everyone who took the time to read, consider and vote on this proposal!
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 21, 2020 23:02:54 GMT -5
Agree with Shale --- 10 points to Nick for running poll + 3 points to everyone else who voted.
CHA 3
ATL 3
LAN 3
STL 3
MIN 3
CHN 3
CLE 3
MIL 3
OAK 3
TOR 3
BAL 3
NYN 3
CIN 3
KCR 3
SFG 3
PHI 10
DET 3
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