Ammy Draft Ratings Chart - Draft Format

[CSCommish]

Batters

OOTP5 (Per 550 AB)	Shale’s Prior Chart	HOFFBL "hybrid" Chart
Hits B >= .337 G >= .287 A >= .237 F >= .187 P < .187	Hits B >= .310 G >= .280 A >= .240 F >= .210 P < .210	Hits B >= .315 G >= .280 A >= .245 F >= .215 P < .215
Doubles B >= 42 G >= 31 A >= 20 F >= 9 P < 9	Doubles B >= 35 G >= 25 A >= 15 F >= 8 P < 8	Doubles B >= 38 G >= 28 A >= 18 F >= 8 P < 8
Triples B >= 8 G >= 6 A >= 4 F >= 2 P < 2	Triples B >= 8 G >= 6 A >= 4 F >= 2 P < 2	Triples B >= 8 G >= 6 A >= 4 F >= 2 P < 2
Home Runs B >= 30 G >= 22 A >= 14 F >= 6 P < 6	Home Runs B >= 30 G >= 20 A >= 11 F >= 4 P < 4	Home Runs B >= 30 G >= 25 A >= 15 F >= 5 P < 5
Walks B >= 90 G >= 66 A >= 42 F >= 18 P < 18	Walks B >= 80 G >= 60 A >= 40 F >= 20 P < 20	Walks B >= 85 G >= 65 A >= 45 F >= 25 P < 25
Strikeouts B < 48 G >= 48 A >= 86 F >= 124 P >= 162	Strikeouts B < 70 G >= 70 A >= 100 F >= 160 P >= 200	Strikeouts B < 60 G >= 60 A >= 100 F >= 140 P >= 180

Pitchers

OOTP5 (Per 550 AB)	Shale’s Prior Chart	HOFFBL "hybrid" Chart
Hits B < .214 (7.7) G >= .214 (7.7) A >= .264 (9.5) F >= .314 (11.3) P >= .364 (13.1)	Hits/9 B < 7.7 G >= 7.7 A >= 8.6 F >= 10.4 P >= 11.5	Hits/9 B < 7.7 G >= 7.7 A >= 9.2 F >= 10.7 P >= 12.2
Doubles B < 15 (0.98) G >= 15 (0.98) A >= 26 (1.71) F >= 37 (2.43) P >= 48 (3.15)	Doubles - Average of Hits/HR ratings; good players get higher rating; others get lower rating	Doubles - Average of Hits/HR ratings; good players get higher rating; others get lower rating
Home Run B < 11 (0.72) G >= 11 (0.72) A >= 19 (1.25) F >= 27 (1.77) P >= 35 (2.30)	Home Runs/9 B < 0.7 G >= 0.7 A >= 1.0 F >= 1.2 P >= 1.6	Home Runs/9 B < 0.7 G >= 0.7 A >= 1.2 F >= 1.7 P >= 2.2
Walks B < 31 (2.03) G >= 31 (2.03) A >= 55 (3.61) F >= 79 (5.18) P >= 103 (6.76)	Walks/9 B < 2.4 G >= 2.4 A >= 3.3 F >= 4.0 P >= 4.6	Walks/9 B < 2.0 G >= 2.0 A >= 3.4 F >= 4.8 P >= 6.2
Strikeouts B >= 143 (9.36) G >= 105 (6.89) A >= 67 (4.39) F >= 29 (1.90) P < 29 (1.90)	Strikeouts/9 B >= 8.0 G >= 6.0 A >= 4.0 F >= 2.0 P < 2.0	Strikeouts/9 B >= 8.0 G >= 6.0 A >= 4.0 F >= 2.0 P < 2.0

[CSCommish]

Shale's chart was what we used for many seasons - probably since 1960's through a couple seasons ago. We tempered it down the past couple seasons, with the "hybrid" chart.

We review each players' best 7-year run on baseball-reference.com, generally by WAR/OPS+/ERA+/etc and look at the Batting Average and the rate stats. We do NOT use career stats as they are no indicative of their talent, just their longevity.

There are other specific details, but we are still hammering them out.

[CSCommish]

As you can see, our hybrid chart raises the bar for batters' avg in prior amateur drafts. The logic of using 7-year averages is because it takes time for batters to get their number ratings from 4/5 when drafted to 8/9 when at their peaks, so it does not make sense to rate someone's talent when incorporating their early and late seasons.

I think you can agree that the .337 for Brilliant Hits ... for an entire career is pretty ridiculous. There have been only 21 players who hit .337 in their entire careers, and only 1 --- ONE --- player who would have been given a Brilliant Hits rating in our amateur drafts since 1953 --- Tony Gwynn. According to that logic, there should be no more Brilliant Hits rating in this league.

So clearly applying .337 over a career doesn't make sense. Applying .337 to a 7-year run is better, but still quite sky high. Shale's chart looks at .310. We've raised it to .315.

[CSCommish]

Any comments on this? Was expecting a long debate on this lol

[Spencer]

I think it was more just for our knowledge. To kinda see where we can gripe effectively.

[Boston Red Sox]

Ew at the hits. .315 means only 3 players past this point will get it ever.

[Boston Red Sox]

Vlad Guerrero, Miguel Cabrera, and Jose Altuve are the only future players who make that mark.

[Boston Red Sox]

Leaving it at .310 only adds 3 players.

[bub6708]

Jeter, Pujols, Helton are names that come to mind.

[Reddington]

Apr 18, 2020 22:59:37 GMT -5 bub6708 said:

Jeter, Pujols, Helton are names that come to mind.

All of those will be, as they all fall under the 7 yr rule

[Reddington]

Apr 18, 2020 22:36:43 GMT -5 Boston Red Sox said:

Ew at the hits. .315 means only 3 players past this point will get it ever.

Not true, as remember Cirillo.  If a player has met the requirements, they can can get in if over 7 years of their career they AVG .315 or better.

[Boston Red Sox]

Apr 18, 2020 22:51:07 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Ok will test in AM.

Are any players by name that make you think "oh he has to be brilliant" ? aside from those 3?

If we're using 7 year peaks a few more players will make it that deserve it. But if we're not doing that guys like Ichiro, Jeter, Garciaparra will miss out when they clearly deserve it.

[Boston Red Sox]

Guys like Mike Trout and Charlie Blackmon are probably more in the range of guys who will miss out with this increase

[Boston Red Sox]

	Hits	Doubles	Triples	Home Runs	Walks	Strikeouts
Brilliant	.305	31	8	27	80	40
Good	.280	25	6	20	65	80
Average	.250	19	4	13	50	120
Fair	.215	13	2	6	35	160
Poor	>.214	>12	>1	>5	>34	161+

This was my no-compromise career chart for XIB, which I did a lot of research to formulate

[Boston Red Sox]

The only way I let a player in was if they missed by 1 number and had at least 5 years above the higher number

[Reddington]

Apr 19, 2020 0:12:48 GMT -5 Boston Red Sox said:

	Hits	Doubles	Triples	Home Runs	Walks	Strikeouts
Brilliant	.305	31	8	27	80	40
Good	.280	25	6	20	65	80
Average	.250	19	4	13	50	120
Fair	.215	13	2	6	35	160
Poor	>.214	>12	>1	>5	>34	161+

This was my no-compromise career chart for XIB, which I did a lot of research to formulate

your way has Chipper not making it even though he had 10 seasons > .305, 5 > .320 including a .364.  PD's will make sure any bril hit player will eventually be just good.

[CSCommish]

I prefer the 7-year peak, as it is more indicative of their talent, which is essentially the peak rating that OOTP5 engine is trying to normalize to (gradual increases in number rating over time to reach some peak, based on talent).