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Post by bub6708 on Jul 2, 2021 17:51:11 GMT -5
Like a luxury tax for teams with payrolls over 127m?  I like the idea of a luxury tax for over 100mil.
The problem is the amount would be fluid for obvious reasons.
50m cash is a lot. But ideally the refund amount would be highest to small market then average and so on.
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Post by Reddington on Jul 2, 2021 23:51:12 GMT -5
Like a luxury tax for teams with payrolls over 127m? I like the idea of a luxury tax for over 100mil. I support anything that doesn't make it worse for the commish |
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Post by Spencer on Jul 2, 2021 23:52:39 GMT -5
Like a luxury tax for teams with payrolls over 127m? I like the idea of a luxury tax for over 100mil. 2 things. 1. I'm completely okay with a luxury tax. 2. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 2, 2021 23:56:44 GMT -5
I like the idea of a luxury tax for over 100mil. I support anything that doesn't make it worse for the commish
I already volunteered? It takes a sticky post that's updated after flip.
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Post by Reddington on Jul 3, 2021 0:00:11 GMT -5
1. How would a luxury tax work (fully fleshed out)
2. This changes nothing, just teams have to raise more cash by selling more points
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 3, 2021 0:00:42 GMT -5
In the end I voted yes because I'm used to it, but philosophically I'm pretty ambivalent
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 0:26:11 GMT -5
1. How would a luxury tax work (fully fleshed out) 2. This changes nothing, just teams have to raise more cash by selling more points
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
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Post by bigmark on Jul 3, 2021 0:44:22 GMT -5
1. How would a luxury tax work (fully fleshed out) 2. This changes nothing, just teams have to raise more cash by selling more points
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
So using the top teams this past season how much would they pay? Also if this only helps the lowest revenue. its going to help gms who dont give a crap about thier teams anyhow or dont even have a gm. I think we need to just focus on the original question |
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Post by Reddington on Jul 3, 2021 0:51:27 GMT -5
1. How would a luxury tax work (fully fleshed out) 2. This changes nothing, just teams have to raise more cash by selling more points
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 0:59:40 GMT -5
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
So using the top teams this past season how much would they pay? Also if this only helps the lowest revenue. its going to help gms who dont give a crap about thier teams anyhow or dont even have a gm. I think we need to just focus on the original question The original question poll doesn't matter. It unfortunately won't change anything. So unless Chris posts a poll, it doesn't matter.
This a sliding scale and depends on tpe and haven't looked to average tpe,
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 1:03:08 GMT -5
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max Wow.
Upset? You asked for a breakdown of how it'd work.
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Post by bigmark on Jul 3, 2021 1:04:12 GMT -5
So using the top teams this past season how much would they pay? Also if this only helps the lowest revenue. its going to help gms who dont give a crap about thier teams anyhow or dont even have a gm. I think we need to just focus on the original question The original question poll doesn't matter. It unfortunately won't change anything. So unless Chris posts a poll, it doesn't matter.
This a sliding scale and depends on tpe and haven't looked to average tpe,
original question definitely matters. more have voted no then yes so far. |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 1:05:46 GMT -5
The original question poll doesn't matter. It unfortunately won't change anything. So unless Chris posts a poll, it doesn't matter.
This a sliding scale and depends on tpe and haven't looked to average tpe,
original question definitely matters. more have voted no then yes so far.
Ask Brian or Chris how much this matters.
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Post by Texas on Jul 3, 2021 7:23:12 GMT -5
No Revenue sharing or Luxury tax
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 3, 2021 7:27:44 GMT -5
Considering 1 or 2 teams have 50m - it'll be tough.
Teams are taxed once they go over the league average TPE (total player expenditure).
The tax breakdown is as follows TPE less than $50m - no tax TPE $50m to $75m - tax of 25% charged on TPE between $50m and $75m TPE $75m to $100m - tax of 50% charged on TPE between $75m and $100m. TPE $100m + - tax of 100% charged on TPE over $100m.
You aren't kicked into the tax bracket until you spend over the league average TPE. But once you are kicked in, your taxes start at the $50k level.
All the money that is collected in taxes is redistributed to the 12 teams with the lowest income on a sliding scale. The team with the lowest income in the league receives 15% of the taxes down to the 4 teams sitting at the 20th - 23rd ranked incomes receiving 3.125%.
Credit DaveHorn
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max In this model the tax doesn’t usually kick in till about $60-65M. I don’t think this hurts small market teams but I also don’t think it has all that much to do with the original q, which is all about whether a game asset can be traded for a non-game asset |
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Post by Reddington on Jul 3, 2021 8:49:54 GMT -5
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max Wow.
Upset?
no, just my 2 cents. Thought we were having a conversation. Just my blunt assessment. |
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Post by Reddington on Jul 3, 2021 12:25:24 GMT -5
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max Wow.
Upset?
Also, sorry if I this came across badly, I tend to have less tact when drinking a lot of beer as I did last night |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 13:18:55 GMT -5
not a single team that cant afford 50 mil. Seams punitive to any team that is trying to compete, and does zero to talk about the pints for case as ChiSox mentioned. Also, F's the small markets teams the most limiting their run to 1-2 yrs max In this model the tax doesn’t usually kick in till about $60-65M. I don’t think this hurts small market teams but I also don’t think it has all that much to do with the original q, which is all about whether a game asset can be traded for a non-game asset You’d have to average the tpe in this league. |
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 3, 2021 14:09:50 GMT -5
In this model the tax doesn’t usually kick in till about $60-65M. I don’t think this hurts small market teams but I also don’t think it has all that much to do with the original q, which is all about whether a game asset can be traded for a non-game asset You’d have to average the tpe in this league. Really quick math has it at $70M right now |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 14:36:46 GMT -5
You’d have to average the tpe in this league. Really quick math has it at $70M right now Sounds right. That’s about half. |
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Post by Danchevy on Jul 3, 2021 15:00:34 GMT -5
I think a luxury tax works, its not hard to do, its a simple calculation at the end of the season based on salary paid by each team. That being said I don't entirely agree with the distribution of those fund laid out above. I don't agree with the bottom 4 teams getting paid out. I think thats rewarding teams that are rebuilding or tanking. I think the redistribution of the taxed funds would need to be given out to the team stuck in the middle of the league to help create balance for those trying to compete but struggling to make the jump.
Open to opinions on this, but to me this helps create more parity in the league financially. Handing out cash to teams that are choosing to rebuild or tank doesn't do anything for the league.
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -5
Tanking is another issue that needs to be addressed. That’s another issue entirely.
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 3, 2021 15:18:14 GMT -5
Tanking is another issue that needs to be addressed. That’s another issue entirely. Yeah I don’t really know if the luxury tax solves the core issue in the league. I also think that if it’s implemented it should be phased in gradually. Start out penalizing 100M+, then within 3-4 seasons add the second tier. Otherwise teams will be scrambling to shed salary all at once. |
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 16:04:05 GMT -5
Tanking is another issue that needs to be addressed. That’s another issue entirely. Yeah I don’t really know if the luxury tax solves the core issue in the league. I also think that if it’s implemented it should be phased in gradually. Start out penalizing 100M+, then within 3-4 seasons add the second tier. Otherwise teams will be scrambling to shed salary all at once.
I agree with that it would have to be implemented gradually and yea, teams will scramble to stay out of the tax.
The tanking issue was raised before, but most ideas were voted down because everyone is comfortable with the status quo. The wheel definitely stops it cold IMO.
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Post by bigmark on Jul 3, 2021 18:01:31 GMT -5
Exactly I'm not down for a luxury tax that helps teams like Pittsburgh. Rather it go to GM's that actually care to gm.
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