Matt
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Post by Matt on Jul 3, 2021 18:05:29 GMT -5
I'd be more for an incentive to be able to grow the team market based on winning % or some factor like that.
On the flip side the market can be reduced if prolonged losing occurs.
As mentioned, luxury tax would only add incentive to losing to get free money and penalize the teams trying to compete.
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 3, 2021 18:09:30 GMT -5
I'd be more for an incentive to be able to grow the team market based on winning % or some factor like that. On the flip side the market can be reduced if prolonged losing occurs. As mentioned, luxury tax would only add incentive to losing to get free money and penalize the teams trying to compete. It does drag the winners back to the pack though, which is critical. HFTC might have had a min payroll too, not sure about that |
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jul 3, 2021 18:13:44 GMT -5
Building stadiums increases market fan loyalty etc. I'd love to see the list of teams who have never done anything
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Matt
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Post by Matt on Jul 3, 2021 18:19:36 GMT -5
Changes nothing about market size.
I was looking into building a stadium to help me before but there was nothing out was going to help me with. My fan loyalty and FI were too high for it to make sense for me to spend the money
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bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 20:49:49 GMT -5
I'd be more for an incentive to be able to grow the team market based on winning % or some factor like that. On the flip side the market can be reduced if prolonged losing occurs. As mentioned, luxury tax would only add incentive to losing to get free money and penalize the teams trying to compete. It does drag the winners back to the pack though, which is critical. HFTC might have had a min payroll too, not sure about that
Nope, no minimum payroll. Nobody really rebuilt for the most part once the wheel was implemented to curb tanking. Noah, who was a GM here, was the architect of the wheel there.
It would drag the winners back to pack. The issue for me is before moving forward on anything is to address tanking IMO. Theres a reluctance to do anything to move the league forward though.
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Danchevy
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Post by Danchevy on Jul 3, 2021 21:12:41 GMT -5
I think the problem is the league is old and a lot of GMs here have been here for a while. So to make a major change seems unnecessary.
In the end we are all a part of the league but its Chris's league. We need his opinion when he has time to get an idea on his direction.
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bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 21:28:36 GMT -5
I think the problem is the league is old and a lot of GMs here have been here for a while. So to make a major change seems unnecessary.
That's unfortunate. So what's the point of trying to move the league forward if it'll be voted down by the majority because 'it's unnecessary'
Most here would vote down using BOSI.
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jul 3, 2021 21:46:04 GMT -5
I think the problem is the league is old and a lot of GMs here have been here for a while. So to make a major change seems unnecessary.
That's unfortunate. So what's the point of trying to move the league forward if it'll be voted down by the majority because 'it's unnecessary'
Most here would vote down using BOSI.
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bub6708
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 3, 2021 21:51:37 GMT -5
That's unfortunate. So what's the point of trying to move the league forward if it'll be voted down by the majority because 'it's unnecessary'
Most here would vote down using BOSI.
we had bosi....whoever updated it. stopped.
Josh did. He quit.
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Danchevy
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Post by Danchevy on Jul 3, 2021 21:53:12 GMT -5
I changed my vote from yes to no. Mainly because I'd like to see change. Change to eliminate hard tanking and to find a way to balance the league out for everyone.
I'm saying this walking into a rebuild too, to put it into perspective.
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Jul 4, 2021 6:38:30 GMT -5
I think the problem is the league is old and a lot of GMs here have been here for a while. So to make a major change seems unnecessary. In the end we are all a part of the league but its Chris's league. We need his opinion when he has time to get an idea on his direction. Yeah much as I liked HFTC I’m not sure I’m down with wholesale changes to make this league more like that one. One or two is fine, but I’ve adjusted to this and major reworking would recalibrate everything |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 4, 2021 9:23:32 GMT -5
revenue sharing should go to the teams that barely missed the playoffs tbh
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 4, 2021 9:23:51 GMT -5
those teams get punished the most for trying
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Danchevy
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Post by Danchevy on Jul 4, 2021 12:54:50 GMT -5
revenue sharing should go to the teams that barely missed the playoffs tbh I agree with this. So whether its the bottom 4 teams or bottom 8 teams don't get revenue sharing. Probably bottom 8 teams in the league get left out. That would be pretty fair year to year of the teams not making full attempts to compete. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 4, 2021 13:24:30 GMT -5
It would incentivize not doing full tear downs too
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Danchevy
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Post by Danchevy on Jul 4, 2021 13:27:12 GMT -5
Definitely would make easier to retool over rebuild if you knew that if you kept your team around the .500 mark that you could get revenue sharing to help sign big name free agents or take on aging vets to help your team.
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 4, 2021 16:47:04 GMT -5
I think the problem is the league is old and a lot of GMs here have been here for a while. So to make a major change seems unnecessary. In the end we are all a part of the league but its Chris's league. We need his opinion when he has time to get an idea on his direction. Yeah much as I liked HFTC I’m not sure I’m down with wholesale changes to make this league more like that one. One or two is fine, but I’ve adjusted to this and major reworking would recalibrate everything
You know, it's not about making this like hftc. It's about progressing hoffbl - someone asked me to lay it out. We don't need to use it because no one wants to because it incentives tanking.
I'll say it again before we put together any kind of revenue sharing is to deal with the tanking issue.
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jul 17, 2021 11:54:53 GMT -5
13 to 6 that's 2 3rds voting yes for the active GM's who cared to vote. Seems the rule should be implemented
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 17, 2021 14:54:21 GMT -5
13 to 6 that's 2 3rds voting yes for the active GM's who cared to vote. Seems the rule should be implemented
Talk to Chris and show him this poll. He makes the final call.
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Post by CSCommish on Feb 21, 2022 20:14:06 GMT -5
Final Decision: We will continue to allow cash for points trades. It wouldn't take long for teams to find an easy loophole by trading cash for a player and then trading that player for points.
The only other potential solution I may entertain - with community input - is whether to allow trading of points at ALL. If someone wants to start a poll on that, I'd be open to that.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Feb 22, 2022 17:02:29 GMT -5
Final Decision: We will continue to allow cash for points trades. It wouldn't take long for teams to find an easy loophole by trading cash for a player and then trading that player for points. The only other potential solution I may entertain - with community input - is whether to allow trading of points at ALL. If someone wants to start a poll on that, I'd be open to that. I disagree with taking it away and then bringing it back, it changed the landscape of the league. |
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Post by Reddington on Feb 22, 2022 17:06:52 GMT -5
Final Decision: We will continue to allow cash for points trades. It wouldn't take long for teams to find an easy loophole by trading cash for a player and then trading that player for points. The only other potential solution I may entertain - with community input - is whether to allow trading of points at ALL. If someone wants to start a poll on that, I'd be open to that. I disagree with taking it away and then bringing it back, it changed the landscape of the league. Blame me. I gave in to the peer pressure. Also as someone pointed out to Chris, there were so many loopholes that could have been exploited, I'm utterly shocked they weren't |
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Post by bigmark on Feb 22, 2022 17:10:58 GMT -5
Final Decision: We will continue to allow cash for points trades. It wouldn't take long for teams to find an easy loophole by trading cash for a player and then trading that player for points. The only other potential solution I may entertain - with community input - is whether to allow trading of points at ALL. If someone wants to start a poll on that, I'd be open to that. I disagree with taking it away and then bringing it back, it changed the landscape of the league. In a good way too. one of the best fas weve had in a long time. if anything we need a limit then like only 5 to 10 mill a year because it was absolutely getting out of hand with the lower teams just being banks for the overspenders. |
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Post by bub6708 on Feb 22, 2022 17:12:01 GMT -5
The only other potential solution I may entertain - with community input - is whether to allow trading of points at ALL. If someone wants to start a poll on that, I'd be open to that. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Feb 22, 2022 17:13:35 GMT -5
I disagree with taking it away and then bringing it back, it changed the landscape of the league. In a good way too. one of the best fas weve had in a long time. if anything we need a limit then like only 5 to 10 mill a year because it was absolutely getting out of hand with the lower teams just being banks for the overspenders. Yeah even though i got fucked over by it i agreed with it in spirit, and voted yes. Giving it back seems like an overreaction too |
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