New Cash Idea

[Spencer]

This has been brought up before, even by Chris.

Instead of allowing cash for points trades that change in value year to year what about a league wide exchange rate.

At any point you can redeem 5 reward points for 1 million dollars.

Thoughts?

[Danchevy]

I like the idea but I think the price would have to be much higher. Like a 8 to 1 ratio to start. Basically force teams to decide whether they want to run a payroll over what they can afford or be able to reverse their players

[Spencer]

I think the ratio is open for discussion.

[dougiejays]

Feb 28, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -5 Spencer said:

This has been brought up before, even by Chris.

Instead of allowing cash for points trades that change in value year to year what about a league wide exchange rate.

At any point you can redeem 5 reward points for 1 million dollars.

Thoughts?

Hell no

[Danchevy]

Feb 28, 2022 15:25:25 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Feb 28, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -5 Spencer said:

This has been brought up before, even by Chris.

Instead of allowing cash for points trades that change in value year to year what about a league wide exchange rate.

At any point you can redeem 5 reward points for 1 million dollars.

Thoughts?

Hell no

Why not exactly? The only negative I see to this at all is that people with jobs for the league that get reward points get a very slight advantage. Secondly would be the impact it has on rebuilding teams acquiring assets for cash.

Other then those two things, one of which is so small I don't think it matters and the second which I think we could live with. I think it makes sense for the league. Could still apply the same 20 mil cap but allow for the exchange.

[dougiejays]

I think deducting draft picks is way too harsh, but this goes in the complete opposite direction.

Honestly I don’t have a huge problem with teams going negative (easy for me to say I know but IIRC last year was the first year I did it and mostly cause I had one old guy I didn’t want to pay to dump); I was pissed at Boston because the game briefly autocorrected his cash to -5, but other than that I think the in-game penalties are harsh enough. And the epidemic of teams pissing away cash for pts is mostly over by now due to natural market forces. Getting cash for pts is like bleeding blood from a stone at this point.

[RoyalsGM]

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

[Boston Red Sox]

If we're trying to make more parity your market should dictate a hard cap on cash intake per year

Largest market - can only trade for 8, next market down, 12, market after that, 16 etc

[bigmark]

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

I'm against this proposal but I just wondered how the better teams get that much more points? Most of the point rewards for like All-stars, league awards winners etc are gone long ago. Worse teams get more points based on the yearly projection system Chris does which I dont think happened the last two off seasons unfortunately

[bub6708]

I think below average is the smallest market. I think it's a few teams.

[RoyalsGM]

Feb 28, 2022 16:11:33 GMT -5 bigmark said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

I'm against this proposal but I just wondered how the better teams get that much more points? Most of the point rewards for like All-stars, league awards winners etc are gone long ago. Worse teams get more points based on the yearly projection system Chris does which I dont think happened the last two off seasons unfortunately

There are still points for milestone performances, player of the week/month, etc.

[bigmark]

Feb 28, 2022 16:54:53 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

Feb 28, 2022 16:11:33 GMT -5 bigmark said:

I'm against this proposal but I just wondered how the better teams get that much more points? Most of the point rewards for like All-stars, league awards winners etc are gone long ago. Worse teams get more points based on the yearly projection system Chris does which I dont think happened the last two off seasons unfortunately

There are still points for milestone performances, player of the week/month, etc.

That is very minimal.

[Spencer]

Feb 28, 2022 15:25:25 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Feb 28, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -5 Spencer said:

This has been brought up before, even by Chris.

Instead of allowing cash for points trades that change in value year to year what about a league wide exchange rate.

At any point you can redeem 5 reward points for 1 million dollars.

Thoughts?

Hell no

Great insight!

[dougiejays]

Feb 28, 2022 17:31:40 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:25:25 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

Hell no

Great insight!

I expanded on it a bit right under this post

[Spencer]

Feb 28, 2022 15:29:41 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I think deducting draft picks is way too harsh, but this goes in the complete opposite direction.

Honestly I don’t have a huge problem with teams going negative (easy for me to say I know but IIRC last year was the first year I did it and mostly cause I had one old guy I didn’t want to pay to dump); I was pissed at Boston because the game briefly autocorrected his cash to -5, but other than that I think the in-game penalties are harsh enough. And the epidemic of teams pissing away cash for pts is mostly over by now due to natural market forces. Getting cash for pts is like bleeding blood from a stone at this point.

So you're saying active owners have an upper hand financially?

Isnt that already the case?

If anything doesnt this even the playing field a bit by setting a price?

[Spencer]

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

So youre saying there is a correlation between large market or high revenue teams and teams with lots of reward points?

[Spencer]

Feb 28, 2022 16:11:33 GMT -5 bigmark said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

I'm against this proposal but I just wondered how the better teams get that much more points? Most of the point rewards for like All-stars, league awards winners etc are gone long ago. Worse teams get more points based on the yearly projection system Chris does which I dont think happened the last two off seasons unfortunately

Why are you against it?

[dougiejays]

Feb 28, 2022 18:33:39 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:29:41 GMT -5 dougiejays said:

I think deducting draft picks is way too harsh, but this goes in the complete opposite direction.

Honestly I don’t have a huge problem with teams going negative (easy for me to say I know but IIRC last year was the first year I did it and mostly cause I had one old guy I didn’t want to pay to dump); I was pissed at Boston because the game briefly autocorrected his cash to -5, but other than that I think the in-game penalties are harsh enough. And the epidemic of teams pissing away cash for pts is mostly over by now due to natural market forces. Getting cash for pts is like bleeding blood from a stone at this point.

So you're saying active owners have an upper hand financially?

Isnt that already the case?

If anything doesnt this even the playing field a bit by setting a price?

I guess in simple terms I’m just saying let the market correct itself

[RoyalsGM]

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade in cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

Any takers on this idea?

[marlinsgm]

Mar 1, 2022 9:44:06 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade in cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

Any takers on this idea?

Nope. In my opinion this league is close to needing a reset/start over, which I'm sure the majority of people here have no interest in. Through the leagues history we've gotten to where
player inflation is still sky high because of the point system, a player that is GGGGG rarely turns out to be much more than above average MAYBE, the finances have spiraled out of control,
also partly because of the points system, partly because of ignoring initial rules, partly because of some GM's, including me, not understanding at times the ramifications of trading massive
amounts of cash. There's a large part of me that longs for a regular old OOTP5 league with no fancy extras, a league where a player with even AVG ratings can have a meaningful OOTP career,
no franchise player reservations, etc. Clearly the realism left the league a long time ago, so we can't really use that argument anymore. If we want absolute realism we need to upgrade to a new
edition of OOTP, and there's clearly no stomach for that either. At some point soon we'll be moving in to fictional players unless we start creating classes from scratch. Just my .02

[bigmark]

Mar 1, 2022 10:13:57 GMT -5 marlinsgm said:

Mar 1, 2022 9:44:06 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

Any takers on this idea?

Nope. In my opinion this league is close to needing a reset/start over, which I'm sure the majority of people here have no interest in. Through the leagues history we've gotten to where
player inflation is still sky high because of the point system, a player that is GGGGG rarely turns out to be much more than above average MAYBE, the finances have spiraled out of control,
also partly because of the points system, partly because of ignoring initial rules, partly because of some GM's, including me, not understanding at times the ramifications of trading massive
amounts of cash. There's a large part of me that longs for a regular old OOTP5 league with no fancy extras, a league where a player with even AVG ratings can have a meaningful OOTP career,
no franchise player reservations, etc. Clearly the realism left the league a long time ago, so we can't really use that argument anymore. If we want absolute realism we need to upgrade to a new
edition of OOTP, and there's clearly no stomach for that either. At some point soon we'll be moving in to fictional players unless we start creating classes from scratch. Just my .02

From talking to Chris n Brian....we'd restart before fake players get used

[marlinsgm]

Mar 1, 2022 10:15:59 GMT -5 bigmark said:

Mar 1, 2022 10:13:57 GMT -5 marlinsgm said:

Nope. In my opinion this league is close to needing a reset/start over, which I'm sure the majority of people here have no interest in. Through the leagues history we've gotten to where
player inflation is still sky high because of the point system, a player that is GGGGG rarely turns out to be much more than above average MAYBE, the finances have spiraled out of control,
also partly because of the points system, partly because of ignoring initial rules, partly because of some GM's, including me, not understanding at times the ramifications of trading massive
amounts of cash. There's a large part of me that longs for a regular old OOTP5 league with no fancy extras, a league where a player with even AVG ratings can have a meaningful OOTP career,
no franchise player reservations, etc. Clearly the realism left the league a long time ago, so we can't really use that argument anymore. If we want absolute realism we need to upgrade to a new
edition of OOTP, and there's clearly no stomach for that either. At some point soon we'll be moving in to fictional players unless we start creating classes from scratch. Just my .02

From talking to Chris n Brian....we'd restart before fake players get used

So will we create draft classes after the file we upload for amateurs now is no longer up to date?

[dougiejays]

Mar 1, 2022 9:44:06 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

Feb 28, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -5 RoyalsGM said:

I see this as welfare for the large-market teams, who are generally able to create more reward points and often still need cash to finance over-extended roster. How about the opposite? Allow teams to trade in cash for reward points. Those who are responsible in terms of financial management have an opportunity to improve their teams without financing the competition through points for cash trades. While high-performing teams can still disproportionately benefit, the league's history of these trades points to cash being of higher value than points, so it is still an improvement over the status quo.

Any takers on this idea?

It’s better than the opposite one but still seems like messing with market unnecessarily. Functionally erasing cash in a cash-starved league will just cause even more teams to go broke.

[Reddington]

Mar 1, 2022 10:17:47 GMT -5 marlinsgm said:

Mar 1, 2022 10:15:59 GMT -5 bigmark said:

From talking to Chris n Brian....we'd restart before fake players get used

So will we create draft classes after the file we upload for amateurs now is no longer up to date?

correct.  If I cant get the newer DB to work for importing we'll be making them from scratch

[Reddington]

though... I think I just had a brilliant idea for how to make the DBs work