Idea

[soonerfantu]

Doubt this idea has much support, but Matt's comment about "finding a way to get Bob Gibson" made me think of this.

Most of us picked a team that we liked, which means that team had players that we liked growing up.  It really is kind of weird watching somebody like Gibson end up on another team in these sim leagues.

So my idea would be to allow each team, once every decade, to jump to the top of the draft to pick a guy that has a real life attachment to that team.  Like STL and Bob Gibson.  Or Willie Mays and the Giants.

Like I said above, I doubt this gains any traction, and I understand that, but I thought it was an interesting idea.  All teams would still miss on drafting players that starred for them in real life, but once a decade they'd get to choose one guy that they just didn't want to live without.  Be interesting to see what player each of the teams chose.

Okay, you can "boo" me now.  lol

[CSCommish]

Oct 1, 2013 21:19:45 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

Doubt this idea has much support, but Matt's comment about "finding a way to get Bob Gibson" made me think of this.

Most of us picked a team that we liked, which means that team had players that we liked growing up.  It really is kind of weird watching somebody like Gibson end up on another team in these sim leagues.

So my idea would be to allow each team, once every decade, to jump to the top of the draft to pick a guy that has a real life attachment to that team.  Like STL and Bob Gibson.  Or Willie Mays and the Giants.

Like I said above, I doubt this gains any traction, and I understand that, but I thought it was an interesting idea.  All teams would still miss on drafting players that starred for them in real life, but once a decade they'd get to choose one guy that they just didn't want to live without.  Be interesting to see what player each of the teams chose.

Okay, you can "boo" me now.  lol

I actually really like this idea.

I think there would have to be additional rules: 1 per decade (1950 to 1959, 1960 to 1969)---I'd use it to get Jeter in the 1990s; must have a first round pick (can't trade all picks and just be awarded a player); costs 75 points; perhaps bonus points to teams who "lose out" on drafting him, but need to be careful here of abuse.

I welcome additional dialogue and would like this hashed out by the end of the month.

[Matt]

OK...before you read this you might want to take a seat...and make sure there is someone to call an ambulance...

I actually agree with Jeremy (can you tell how much I want Gibby?)

One a decade wouldn't be many. I honestly don't know who I'd pick in the 70s/80s.

Keep some history to a team, yet still have some change based on everything else.

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I love the idea. I can't live without Sandberg.

[soonerfantu]

You people love me. You REALLY love me.

[CSCommish]

This would require teams to actually sit down and map out their future, giving them an even better sense of ownership.

I think this would also crack down on tanking (slightly).

[CSCommish]

Oct 1, 2013 21:31:37 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

You people love me. You REALLY love me.

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[soonerfantu]

One thing that would have to be hashed out is who has the rights to players that played on multiple teams in real life, or was drafted by a team then traded. Like Ozzie Smith. Drafted by SD, but obviously STL is the team he is associated with.  There are probably some better examples of guys that played 7 years on one team, and 7 on another, and had good success at both stops.

[Matt]

Oct 1, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

One thing that would have to be hashed out is who has the rights to players that played on multiple teams in real life, or was drafted by a team then traded. Like Ozzie Smith. Drafted by SD, but obviously STL is the team he is associated with.

As much as I'd love Ozzie, I say for Chris's sanity we have to leave it to drafted players that signed with the team.  Everything else has to be luck of the draw..or draft, or whatever.

[CSCommish]

Oct 1, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

One thing that would have to be hashed out is who has the rights to players that played on multiple teams in real life, or was drafted by a team then traded. Like Ozzie Smith. Drafted by SD, but obviously STL is the team he is associated with.

I am open to an interpretation of the team that the player is most associated with. Rickey Henderson would be A's IMO. But this would be tricky. Any disagreement would be subject to a vote/poll.

[CSCommish]

This would, in effect, be the Franchise Player rule, I suppose, nicknamed the "Jeremy Hill" rule.

[soonerfantu]

Oct 1, 2013 21:38:30 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

This would, in effect, be the Franchise Player rule, I suppose, nicknamed the "Jeremy Hill" rule.

I like it.  I like it a lot.

[Matt]

Oct 1, 2013 21:36:51 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Oct 1, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

One thing that would have to be hashed out is who has the rights to players that played on multiple teams in real life, or was drafted by a team then traded. Like Ozzie Smith. Drafted by SD, but obviously STL is the team he is associated with.

I am open to an interpretation of the team that the player is most associated with. Rickey Henderson would be A's IMO. But this would be tricky. Any disagreement would be subject to a vote/poll.

That could work as well.

I'd leave it on the GM to check and see which guy he wants for the decade.  Figure out who they want, run it by commish, or have a thread somewhere in the draft forum, of the guy they want as their decade franchise guy.  If it was an team draftee, no questions.  If it was a non draftee that was big for the franchise (Ozzie, Rickey, etc), commish choice or league vote.

[Matt]

Oct 1, 2013 21:38:30 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

This would, in effect, be the Franchise Player rule, I suppose, nicknamed the "Jeremy Hill" rule.

I like the "Gibby Rule" better

[soonerfantu]

Oct 1, 2013 21:46:46 GMT -5 Matt said:

Oct 1, 2013 21:38:30 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

This would, in effect, be the Franchise Player rule, I suppose, nicknamed the "Jeremy Hill" rule.

I like the "Gibby Rule" better

This is my gift to you.  The least you could do is let the rule be named after me.  lol

[CSCommish]

I think we will have no problem having this in place.

The issues we should focus on now are what framework will this work within?

[CSCommish]

lol

[Deleted]

I think the two or three team deal shouldn't be an issue. Most players that would be designated I think we all can figure out which team they are associated with. Sosa was a Ranger and White Sox before becoming a Cub and spent a short time with the Orioles. He's a Cub. Ozzie is a Cardinal.Ricky is an A. Clemens a Red Sock. Griffey would be a difficult one. Probably a Red? or Mariner? AROD? Mariner? Yankee? Joe Carter. Indian? Probably a Blue Jay. Gallaraga a Rocky? There will be a few that if designated may have to be voted on. Griffey strikes me as the most problematic, but for the most part I think it sorts itself out.

[CSCommish]

I would associate Griffey with the Mariners, definitely. A-ROD is probably the most problematic IMO, especially since he COULD be associated with the Yankees (me). I think I would see him as a Mariner too though.

[Matt]

Griffey/ARod both M's. I'm lazy..same decade, or different ones?

Carter I remember more as a Blue Jay.

Andres a Rockie...it's what made his career.

Could be some nice arguments out of it though.

[soonerfantu]

I'd say AROD is a Yank, but that's just me.

I don't have a problem with either team having rights to a player, it's only an issue if both want to draft him. At that point do we vote (might be some bias to keep a guy out of your league), look at games played? That is the tricky part for sure.  Maybe have Commish and two others that vote in case we need to distinguish between teams?  3 should be enough to avoid a bias, and get a couple of solid opinions.  I really doubt there would be many cases of two teams wanting the same guy though.

[soonerfantu]

Barry Bonds would be another. Pirate or Giant? I think he was a Pirate longer, and they drafted him (I believe), but he had his great years in SF.

[CSCommish]

Oct 1, 2013 22:05:34 GMT -5 soonerfantu said:

I'd say AROD is a Yank, but that's just me.

I don't have a problem with either team having rights to a player, it's only an issue if both want to draft him. At that point do we vote (might be some bias to keep a guy out of your league), look at games played? That is the tricky part for sure.

How about WAR?

www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrial01.shtml

And that would make Rodriguez a Yankee. Although I'd probably still pick Jeter anyway. Does that mean the Mariners CAN'T tag him? How do we handle those situations?

[CSCommish]

Bonds would be a Giant if we used Games, WAR, anything really lol.

[CSCommish]

lol Jer, Bonds was a Giant nearly twice as long as a Pirate