Franchise Player Part 2

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 16:35:25 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

And even then, still the ratings were kinda "off".

I just like the idea of a solo career league where names are recognizable. So many PDs I dont need it to be too exact.

[CSCommish]

Oct 8, 2013 16:35:37 GMT -5 Spencer said:

IDK what the rules are. Obviously want Bonds. He is 50/50 material in a sim league.

which is the beauty I guess. Maybe he only hits 300 HR

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 16:35:51 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:35:17 GMT -5 Spencer said:

If Bonds is unavailable Id take Clark.

Meh, how would Bonds be unavailable?

The WAR rule.

[CSCommish]

nah, no WAR rule

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 16:36:12 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:35:37 GMT -5 Spencer said:

IDK what the rules are. Obviously want Bonds. He is 50/50 material in a sim league.

which is the beauty I guess. Maybe he only hits 300 HR

ROID TAKING CHEATER

[CSCommish]

Maybe for each tested user, their nicknames should be "CHEATER"

Barry "CHEATER" Bonds
Alex "CHEATER" Rodriguez
Andy "CHEATER BUT APOLOGIZED SO OK" Pettitte

[Spencer]

Thread killer.

[Darryl]

If we are going to do this one player per franchise is my vote and no trading them.

[Darryl]

Oct 8, 2013 16:34:56 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:31:34 GMT -5 Spencer said:

I want McCovey and Bonds pretty bad.

And here I am, I get players like Munson, Mattingly and Jeter. Combined they might compare to Bonds lol. I am willingly not selecting ARod.

Could be worse you could have the Indians and their lack of great players after the current crop i have.

60s- Sam McDowell ..who? Might as well be nobody.
70s - Still nobody
80s - Albert Belle
90s - Kenny Lofton, or Jim Thome
2000s CC Sabathia or Cliff Lee

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 16:58:14 GMT -5 Darryl said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:34:56 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

And here I am, I get players like Munson, Mattingly and Jeter. Combined they might compare to Bonds lol. I am willingly not selecting ARod.

Could be worse you could have the Indians and their lack of great players after the current crop i have.

60s- Sam McDowell ..who? Might as well be nobody.
70s - Still nobody
80s - Albert Belle
90s - Kenny Lofton, or Jim Thome
2000s CC Sabathia or Cliff Lee

Sam McDowell was sick.

Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
1961 18 CLE AL 0 0 0.00 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.1 3 0 0 0 5 0 5 0 0 0 27 1.263 4.3 0.0 7.1 7.1 1.00
1962 19 CLE AL 3 7 .300 6.06 25 13 5 0 0 1 87.2 81 64 59 9 70 1 70 4 0 5 410 64 1.722 8.3 0.9 7.2 7.2 1.00
1963 20 CLE AL 3 5 .375 4.85 14 12 0 3 1 0 65.0 63 37 35 6 44 0 63 0 0 7 292 75 1.646 8.7 0.8 6.1 8.7 1.43
1964 21 CLE AL 11 6 .647 2.70 31 24 3 6 2 1 173.1 148 60 52 8 100 6 177 3 2 11 760 135 1.431 7.7 0.4 5.2 9.2 1.77
1965 22 CLE AL 17 11 .607 2.18 42 35 5 14 3 4 273.0 178 80 66 9 132 7 325 6 0 17 1116 161 1.136 5.9 0.3 4.4 10.7 2.46 AS,MVP-17
1966 23 CLE AL 9 8 .529 2.87 35 28 5 8 5 3 194.1 130 66 62 12 102 3 225 6 1 5 806 120 1.194 6.0 0.6 4.7 10.4 2.21 AS
1967 24 CLE AL 13 15 .464 3.85 37 37 0 10 1 0 236.1 201 112 101 21 123 3 236 7 0 18 1014 86 1.371 7.7 0.8 4.7 9.0 1.92
1968 25 CLE AL 15 14 .517 1.81 38 37 0 11 3 0 269.0 181 78 54 13 110 9 283 10 1 7 1098 165 1.082 6.1 0.4 3.7 9.5 2.57 AS
1969 26 CLE AL 18 14 .563 2.94 39 38 1 18 4 1 285.0 222 111 93 13 102 9 279 7 1 14 1166 127 1.137 7.0 0.4 3.2 8.8 2.74 AS
1970 27 CLE AL 20 12 .625 2.92 39 39 2 19 1 0 305.0 236 108 99 25 131 10 304 7 0 17 1257 134 1.203 7.0 0.7 3.9 9.0 2.32 AS,CYA-3,MVP-16
1971 28 CLE AL 13 17 .433 3.40 35 31 3 8 2 1 214.2 160 89 81 22 153 13 192 3 0 13 943 113 1.458 6.7 0.9 6.4 8.0 1.25 AS

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 16:58:14 GMT -5 Darryl said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:34:56 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

And here I am, I get players like Munson, Mattingly and Jeter. Combined they might compare to Bonds lol. I am willingly not selecting ARod.

Could be worse you could have the Indians and their lack of great players after the current crop i have.

60s- Sam McDowell ..who? Might as well be nobody.
70s - Still nobody
80s - Albert Belle
90s - Kenny Lofton, or Jim Thome
2000s CC Sabathia or Cliff Lee

And Belle/Thome and Sabathia are sicck too. The Giants have a pretty big dry spell in the 70s. Im looking at Jack Clark! MEH!

[Spencer]

And Jason Schmidt in the 90s. lol.

[steve]

glad i don't have the brewers. have to decide between yount/molitor in the 70s and prince/braun in the 2000s, but then stuck with probably teddy higuera in the 80s and ben sheets in the 90s

[steve]

nah screw that. 90s were all about jeff cirillo

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5 steve said:

nah screw that. 90s were all about jeff cirillo

lold

[K.]

Oct 8, 2013 16:05:17 GMT -5 Spencer said:

I still dont really get the negativity towards this idea.

Can I suggest actually reading people's posts? Including the many contributions/suggestions to actual rulemaking?

But very short: you sign up for a sim league with certain rules, one sim in they want to add a league defining rule where a whole hoist of Hall of Famers are unavailable to you and reserved to certain teams only. A league starting in 1953 where you could map out your history and acquire some Hall of Famers in the process was a major selling point for you to join. See where the problems arise?

So, I really don't get how anyone can not see why this would make certain people unhappy. Instead we get constantly berated for it.

Imagine this rule being in place from the start, you do all your research, select which player to pick when, do your due diligence and what not, and then one sim in, the whole concept gets canned. Flowers would come out of your mouth, I bet.

And this turned out way too long again. A waste, no doubt. If you want, you can reply in STFU prose again.

I certainly won't miss this.

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 17:35:27 GMT -5 K. said:

Oct 8, 2013 16:05:17 GMT -5 Spencer said:

I still dont really get the negativity towards this idea.

Can I suggest actually reading people's posts? Including the many contributions/suggestions to actual rulemaking?

But very short: you sign up for a sim league with certain rules, one sim in they want to add a league defining rule where a whole hoist of Hall of Famers are unavailable to you and reserved to certain teams only. A league starting in 1953 where you could map out your history and acquire some Hall of Famers in the process was a major selling point for you to join. See where the problems arise?

So, I really don't get how anyone can not see why this would make certain people unhappy. Instead we get constantly berated for it.

Imagine this rule being in place from the start, you do all your research, select which player to pick when, do your due diligence and what not, and then one sim in, the whole concept gets canned. Flowers would come out of your mouth, I bet.

And this turned out way too long again. A waste, no doubt. If you want, you can reply in STFU prose again.

I certainly won't miss this.

I read most of your posts. I guess the main difference is that I dont think this is some drastic league changing idea. I mean if Chris decided to do fake draft classes I might quit. Because whats the point of a retro league that suddenly goes fake?

Its a sim league, and the names are just names. Its a small difference to a normal sim league. Just a little twist. So no, this idea wouldnt make flowers come out of my mouth, whatever that means. It isnt a big deal either way. No one is cheated. Everyone gets an equal opportunity to use it and benefit from it. Chris even said that teams that might get screwed because of it would actually get a different player graded up to replace the Franchise player. So ya, I still dont get what the fuss is about.

Then again I saw your post earlier today somewhere about how the game can operate without any tweaks. To me that is boring. I want twists. I want new rules. I want fixes. I want interaction. Otherwise I would just play a solo league against the computer. And Ill be honest that is 100% why I enjoy BBSBL tons more then GABL. GABL has the feel of a solo league some times. 3 days for a returned PM. Trade blocks from half the league. GMs that dont post for a whole sim year. Not fun to me.

[Spencer]

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion. But I dont get it. Seems boring to me. Keep the snoozing for GABL IMO>

[Spencer]

Also its pretty obvious that Chris' stint in BBSBL inspired him to do something much closer to BBSBL then GABL here. Something to be said for that.

The idea of board activity isnt short sided. It is a proven idea that works. Reward people for spending times on the board. It makes the league more interactive and it hastens the process of everything because people are on the board more. Now obviously this isnt for everyone. But even in my limited free time I find the time to be extremely active because I desire to be. because of this I am quick to reply to PMs, posts, trade blocks, etc.

[Darryl]

Oct 8, 2013 17:46:45 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Also its pretty obvious that Chris' stint in BBSBL inspired him to do something much closer to BBSBL then GABL here. Something to be said for that.

The idea of board activity isnt short sided. It is a proven idea that works. Reward people for spending times on the board. It makes the league more interactive and it hastens the process of everything because people are on the board more. Now obviously this isnt for everyone. But even in my limited free time I find the time to be extremely active because I desire to be. because of this I am quick to reply to PMs, posts, trade blocks, etc.

Also means the board is filled with crap posts when people post for the sake of posting.

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 17:49:58 GMT -5 Darryl said:

Oct 8, 2013 17:46:45 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Also its pretty obvious that Chris' stint in BBSBL inspired him to do something much closer to BBSBL then GABL here. Something to be said for that.

The idea of board activity isnt short sided. It is a proven idea that works. Reward people for spending times on the board. It makes the league more interactive and it hastens the process of everything because people are on the board more. Now obviously this isnt for everyone. But even in my limited free time I find the time to be extremely active because I desire to be. because of this I am quick to reply to PMs, posts, trade blocks, etc.

Also means the board is filled with crap posts when people post for the sake of posting.

This is debatable. I like banter. I like conversation. Talking about our teams. talking about RL sports. Talking about beer and food. Talking about or wives and GFs. Why cant it be more then....

4-2. End.

Sure I skip over some conversations. Some isnt about me or doesnt interest me. But lots of it does. In the end, I feel like its worth it. Sure it isnt for everyone, but when you get passed the initial differences and look at the end goal, maybe it is worth it. Maybe it should be considered. Maybe it isnt a bad idea.

[Spencer]

IDK. My ideal is about as far from GABL as it can get. My leagues flourished with board activity. Hyper active, fast pace. Very addictive.

[CSCommish]

Oct 8, 2013 17:46:45 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Also its pretty obvious that Chris' stint in BBSBL inspired him to do something much closer to BBSBL then GABL here. Something to be said for that.

You got me.

In the end, I am striving for historical accuracy and care as with GABL, but with a little bit more flexibility as with BBSBL (PD Reversals and a very limited cash/point system).

[Spencer]

Oct 8, 2013 18:00:17 GMT -5 CSCommish said:

Oct 8, 2013 17:46:45 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Also its pretty obvious that Chris' stint in BBSBL inspired him to do something much closer to BBSBL then GABL here. Something to be said for that.

You got me.

In the end, I am striving for historical accuracy and care as with GABL, but with a little bit more flexibility as with BBSBL (PD Reversals and a very limited cash/point system).

Rewarding board activity is a good idea. Cash systems, reward systems work.

[CSCommish]

Yea, I don't mind a few points for posting. But you won't see a Post Pad here, sorry.