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Post by CSCommish on Apr 25, 2015 9:28:04 GMT -5
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Darryl
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Post by Darryl on Apr 25, 2015 13:24:29 GMT -5
My favourite part of doing the rating thus far? The fact they included a guy who is 7 years old in file .
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 25, 2015 13:32:25 GMT -5
My favourite part of doing the rating thus far? The fact they included a guy who is 7 years old in file . lol I think I noticed some random player that was really young in LBB as well. I'm guessing this is the same player. |
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Post by bigmark on Apr 25, 2015 13:34:43 GMT -5
What was the name? maybe it was some nice thing a team did back in the day for like a terminally ill kid? who knows I'm just bored at work and reading into it too much.
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Post by Darryl on Apr 25, 2015 13:44:33 GMT -5
What was the name? maybe it was some nice thing a team did back in the day for like a terminally ill kid? who knows I'm just bored at work and reading into it too much Doug Mansilo or something like that. Was an actually minor leaguer. |
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Post by bigmark on Apr 25, 2015 14:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 27, 2015 13:35:31 GMT -5
In the meantime, I've posted Darryl's file for review. Let me know if you have any gripes and I will incorporate them once break inputs the current ratings/potentials into the file later this week. www.hoffbl.com/ammy/rookies.html |
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Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2015 17:14:35 GMT -5
Always surprised at how bad stars look
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 27, 2015 17:16:32 GMT -5
Name Age Role Hits Homers Walks Strikeouts Dur. SP Dur. RP
J. Palmer 18 SP Good Good Good Good A -
S. Carlton 19 SP Good Good Average Brilliant A -
D. Sutton 18 SP Good Average Good Brilliant B -
J. Koosman 21 SP Good Good Average Brilliant B
These 4 should be better (3 of them were HOF'ers and Koosman was an elite pitcher back then as well) and Tug McGraw's talents should be improved as well. He was 1 of best closers of his time.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 27, 2015 17:17:35 GMT -5
Also please bump up random talents for the all poor rated players...give them some potential use in the future
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 27, 2015 17:21:44 GMT -5
Also please bump up random talents for the all poor rated players...give them some potential use in the future Yup; I am just looking for input on the relevant players. I do plan on doing the same thing I did last year...let me see if I can dig it up. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 27, 2015 17:23:15 GMT -5
I've given all scrubs at least 1 average and 3 fair ratings, but their actual ratings are still the minimal "1" ratings, so even if they get nice boosts, they'll be journeymen minor leaguers and maybe make the majors at 28+ Here it is. |
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Post by Darryl on Apr 27, 2015 19:28:49 GMT -5
Name Age Role Hits Homers Walks Strikeouts Dur. SP Dur. RP J. Palmer 18 SP Good Good Good Good A - S. Carlton 19 SP Good Good Average Brilliant A - D. Sutton 18 SP Good Average Good Brilliant B - J. Koosman 21 SP Good Good Average Brilliant B These 4 should be better (3 of them were HOF'ers and Koosman was an elite pitcher back then as well) and Tug McGraw's talents should be improved as well. He was 1 of best closers of his time. Do not do this. Do not artficially increase the talents of these players. They are rated right by the guide and already adjusted to compensate for the era. |
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Post by Matt on Apr 27, 2015 19:57:49 GMT -5
Name Age Role Hits Homers Walks Strikeouts Dur. SP Dur. RP J. Palmer 18 SP Good Good Good Good A - S. Carlton 19 SP Good Good Average Brilliant A - D. Sutton 18 SP Good Average Good Brilliant B - J. Koosman 21 SP Good Good Average Brilliant B These 4 should be better (3 of them were HOF'ers and Koosman was an elite pitcher back then as well) and Tug McGraw's talents should be improved as well. He was 1 of best closers of his time. Do not do this. Do not artficially increase the talents of these players. They are rated right by the guide and already adjusted to compensate for the era. But Shale needs a reward for his team sucking so bad on purpose! |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 27, 2015 22:08:36 GMT -5
Do not do this. Do not artficially increase the talents of these players. They are rated right by the guide and already adjusted to compensate for the era. But Shale needs a reward for his team sucking so bad on purpose! No personal agenda here. Just that the real life studs should be studs no matter what. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 27, 2015 22:09:46 GMT -5
Name Age Role Hits Homers Walks Strikeouts Dur. SP Dur. RP J. Palmer 18 SP Good Good Good Good A - S. Carlton 19 SP Good Good Average Brilliant A - D. Sutton 18 SP Good Average Good Brilliant B - J. Koosman 21 SP Good Good Average Brilliant B These 4 should be better (3 of them were HOF'ers and Koosman was an elite pitcher back then as well) and Tug McGraw's talents should be improved as well. He was 1 of best closers of his time. Do not do this. Do not artficially increase the talents of these players. They are rated right by the guide and already adjusted to compensate for the era. Nothing artificial about it. Palmer was a top 10 all-time real life pitcher...for him in particular to be shorted on talents would be a shame. Carlton is a top 5 all-time LHP as well. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Apr 27, 2015 22:11:28 GMT -5
Nothing against your work at all, Darryl. The all-time greats just need to be amazing so that no one else ends up being disappointed. Or am I the only person that legit cares about the all-time greats being perfect?
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Post by Darryl on Apr 28, 2015 9:18:34 GMT -5
But you can't create what isn't there. Carlton was great but he walked a lot for your example.
Buffing these guys for no reason will cheapen the generational talents when they arrive.
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Post by bigmark on Apr 28, 2015 10:37:02 GMT -5
Agreed with darryl....some guys are great and get into the hall but they are not complete studs. Can't just look at a name and be like "oh man that guy...brilliants across the board cause I'm excited and everyone should be brillaint brillaint brilliant and oh brilliant" lol
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Post by soonerfantu on Apr 28, 2015 11:07:58 GMT -5
We've had this discussion before, and I thought we agreed in certain instances, to bump guys a little to ensure they had a chance to replicate their real life accomplishments.
I can't remember, but it seems like maybe Pete Rose was given Brilliant in Hits when he actually should have been just Good. I might be misremembering. Probably a couple of other examples too.
This should be used sparingly, but nobody wants to see some of the best players MLB has ever seen turn into ordinary players. I don't know if the guys listed above need bumps or not, but Palmer/Carlton are borderline on a couple of talents, and they currently fall into the lower bucket, I have no problems boosting a talent in that case.
Sometimes an average year or two of a guy's career knocks down their career averages, but they may have played 10-12 years at a level that deserves the higher rating.
JMO.
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Post by soonerfantu on Apr 28, 2015 11:17:43 GMT -5
Quote from Matt A. when he was producing the Pete Rose draft class:
Pete Rose-18 year old, all time hits leader of course. I made him BR in hits although technically he doesn't qualify. BR/AVG/AVG/F/AVG/BR, C/D SP/SA. Lot of the appeal is that he can play nearly every position except C/SS/P, and he plays all of them well. A defensively at the corners in the OF with an A arm, twice won a Gold Glove as a RF. B at 1/2/3/CF. Will need a few years in the minors but certainly worthy of a top 5 pick if he's not reserved by Cincy. He played the most games at 1B, although he played a lot of positions a lot of the time. Broke in as a 2B.
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Post by Darryl on Apr 28, 2015 11:33:03 GMT -5
To be fair adjustments have been made to some ratings based on Era and if they were borderline I tilted to the better for nearly all.
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Post by bigmark on Apr 28, 2015 13:05:23 GMT -5
as for them turning into ordinary? that why you have the points system....your favourite player takes a ratings hit? fix him
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Post by soonerfantu on Apr 28, 2015 13:17:48 GMT -5
as for them turning into ordinary? that why you have the points system....your favourite player takes a ratings hit? fix him That isn't what I meant. Both of the SP's.....Carlton and Palmer don't need negative PD's to be average. Neither of them, as rated, have the talents to be anything more than "okay" in this league. At least give them an outside shot, with no PD's, and being legit All-Star guys. |
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Post by bigmark on Apr 28, 2015 14:56:04 GMT -5
I think some people in the league would prefer all players have good brilliant and maybe one average rating..... sim in a make believe world where the whole league is on steroids lol
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