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Post by CSCommish on Jul 7, 2013 22:22:46 GMT -5
This applies to both contract extensions and free agent offers. This is a relatively new phenomenon, at least to me, so let's nip this one in the bud...if necessary, of course.
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Post by bigmark on Jul 8, 2013 13:50:35 GMT -5
if 20 mill is where they say yes for sure why not make the max offer 19,999,999 or do we know for sure if its 20 mill exactly...
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 14:06:45 GMT -5
It seems that once you offer 20M, the player will automatically accept your offer, even if the player doesn't want to hear from you anymore.
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 8, 2013 14:08:27 GMT -5
There are ways to make it where they won't accept $20M. Piss them off enough, and they either won't sign, or will make you go over $21M.
If somebody is willing to overpay like that for a player, I say have at it.
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Post by bigmark on Jul 8, 2013 14:13:16 GMT -5
There are ways to make it where they won't accept $20M. Piss them off enough, and they either won't sign, or will make you go over $21M. If somebody is willing to overpay like that for a player, I say have at it. That's where the issue is he thinking of.......take gabl for example a lot of teams cant throw out contracts like that cause if they did they'd be broke in one or 2 seasons...while there are some teams who put those contracts out without even thinking about it because they can and don't have to worry about anything financially ever... |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 14:16:48 GMT -5
Also, it's extremely unrealistic for younger players. The game will tend to sign a guy for 1 year, 15 mil over 4 years, 10 mil per.
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 8, 2013 14:18:46 GMT -5
Disagree.
Pittsburg, not a big market, was offering big contracts to Duscherer(sp) this past offseason. And some of the larger teams built up to that revenue level over time. Mine (LAD) wasn't always that high. When the league started, I was only making about $70M a year. Winning increased that, which allowed me to offer larger contracts. I'd also point out that some of those large, one year contracts can help smaller teams. They spend a bunch over one season, and land a stud FA, but then resign him for a cheaper, more reasonable contract going forward. And they don't always accept the largest contract. Sometimes offering a 2nd year and less money helps. Sometimes it doesn't. I like the "randomness" to it all.
Heck, my personal preference is to have FA done outside the game. Have offers emailed to a Commish user. Set some standards as far as years/dollars, and let it go that way. That is the best way to run FA, IF you want the players to always accept the most money.
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 8, 2013 14:20:40 GMT -5
Also, it's extremely unrealistic for younger players. The game will tend to sign a guy for 1 year, 15 mil over 4 years, 10 mil per. Maybe. But I lost a FA bid last offseason in GABL when the other owner increased the offer to two years, but decreased the annual amount by ~$5M. I think it varies. I've seen it work both ways, about 50% of the time I'd guess. Like I said above, I like the radomness. Now, if we want to limit offers to $21M or so, I wouldn't be against that. I'm not saying you should be able to offer $40M/1 year contracts. |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 14:36:20 GMT -5
Also, it's extremely unrealistic for younger players. The game will tend to sign a guy for 1 year, 15 mil over 4 years, 10 mil per. Maybe. But I lost a FA bid last offseason in GABL when the other owner increased the offer to two years, but decreased the annual amount by ~$5M. I think it varies. I've seen it work both ways, about 50% of the time I'd guess. Like I said above, I like the radomness. Now, if we want to limit offers to $21M or so, I wouldn't be against that. I'm not saying you should be able to offer $40M/1 year contracts. Hmm, weird. I guess it varies, but I feel like I've seen it happen much more consistently that the higher annual amount gets taken, even with fewer years. Maybe we could have a different 1 year limit for players under 30 vs. over 30? I just think it's way too rare for a 27 year old player to take a 1 year contract when he could have a 4 year contract. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 8, 2013 14:50:13 GMT -5
I don't know what leagues you play in, but it's almost impossible for there to be <30 year old FA's in GABL that anybody would want to offer $20M. Maybe it'll be different in this league, I don't know. I'd be okay with using 30 as a divider, and allowing older players to take such deals.
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 14:59:45 GMT -5
I don't know what leagues you play in, but it's almost impossible for there to be <30 year old FA's in GABL that anybody would want to offer $20M. Maybe it'll be different in this league, I don't know. I'd be okay with using 30 as a divider, and allowing older players to take such deals. I like this idea, but will allow others to post their thoughts. |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 15:01:44 GMT -5
I don't know what leagues you play in, but it's almost impossible for there to be <30 year old FA's in GABL that anybody would want to offer $20M. Maybe it'll be different in this league, I don't know. I'd be okay with using 30 as a divider, and allowing older players to take such deals. I like it. In BBSBL we just had 25 year old Edgar Renteria sign for 1 yr, 12 mil over all the other multi-year offers he had on the table. Maybe I'm just bitter because he refused to sign an extension with me. |
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Post by Darryl on Jul 8, 2013 15:24:27 GMT -5
And some of the larger teams built up to that revenue level over time. Mine (LAD) wasn't always that high. When the league started, I was only making about $70M a year. all. lo Wish I could have such a bad year in the GABL. My best season is 8 million lower than your worst. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jul 8, 2013 15:29:36 GMT -5
And some of the larger teams built up to that revenue level over time. Mine (LAD) wasn't always that high. When the league started, I was only making about $70M a year. all. lo Wish I could have such a bad year in the GABL. My best season is 8 million lower than your worst. You haven't been in the league long, though, right? Some of the GABL teams are just about beyond repair. I admit that. |
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Post by Matt on Jul 8, 2013 15:57:51 GMT -5
If we're shooting for reality, there is no way a 28-32 yr old player takes a 1 yr contract over a multi- year deal, unless the 1 year offer is just nuts.
Very seldom do players sign huge 1 year deals and then agree to less in extensions, unless they had a horrible season as well.
If that's the case, I think we're going to see lots of 1 year, $20 million offers thrown out there for guys now that more people know about the glitch. Why risk a multi year deal when you can sign him for 1 year, and have the possibility of signing him cheaper long term?
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 15:58:53 GMT -5
i like what waldo has to say
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 15:59:15 GMT -5
If we're shooting for reality, there is no way a 28-32 yr old player takes a 1 yr contract over a multi- year deal, unless the 1 year offer is just nuts. Very seldom do players sign huge 1 year deals and then agree to less in extensions, unless they had a horrible season as well. If that's the case, I think we're going to see lots of 1 year, $20 million offers thrown out there for guys now that more people know about the glitch. Why risk a multi year deal when you can sign him for 1 year, and have the possibility of signing him cheaper long term? |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 16:01:45 GMT -5
If we're shooting for reality, there is no way a 28-32 yr old player takes a 1 yr contract over a multi- year deal, unless the 1 year offer is just nuts. Very seldom do players sign huge 1 year deals and then agree to less in extensions, unless they had a horrible season as well. If that's the case, I think we're going to see lots of 1 year, $20 million offers thrown out there for guys now that more people know about the glitch. Why risk a multi year deal when you can sign him for 1 year, and have the possibility of signing him cheaper long term? whoa steve, no quote weirdness |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2013 16:04:18 GMT -5
whoa steve, no quote weirdness haha, i have to go into the BBCode and remove that extra garbage. No clue why it's being appended to the end of my posts |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 16:11:16 GMT -5
yar that is annoying
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 8, 2013 18:51:27 GMT -5
I'm considering dropping GABL after this starts up. No matter what I do and which players come to town I can't get anybody to hit over .270 and it's frustrating me to the point I want to quit.
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 19:45:05 GMT -5
Also, it's extremely unrealistic for younger players. The game will tend to sign a guy for 1 year, 15 mil over 4 years, 10 mil per. agreed. I think the age portion of the rule will be critical. |
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Post by CSCommish on Jul 8, 2013 19:46:24 GMT -5
I'm considering dropping GABL after this starts up. No matter what I do and which players come to town I can't get anybody to hit over .270 and it's frustrating me to the point I want to quit. That would suck because I don't want the perception of the HOFFBL to be that of poaching players from GABL. |
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Post by bigmark on Jul 8, 2013 22:18:50 GMT -5
Meh, I may leave longballer once this gets going and its not poaching sake......its that lbb for myself beem there since season 1 and its really lost its magic for me...its all fake players for years now and only a handful of the gms are really truly active. Plus if we are doing 5 sims a week here...that's a lot to keep up with.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 8, 2013 22:21:58 GMT -5
I've been clear that I'm considering leaving for a while over there. They know about my gripes and they keep telling me that my guys just aren't average hitters when I had a lineup full of guys 6 or better in hits with a team .255 average. Something is fucked up over there.
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