Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 11:01:40 GMT -5
Wow, I just read the responses in this thread and I think people are totally missing the point. The wheel is an EQUAL system on balance. It doesn't matter that a good team will occasionally get a good pick and a bad team will occasionally get a bad pick, because every team will get an equal opportunity over the long haul. And having set draft poisitions actually makes it easier to deal future picks because you're not always worrying, "what if my team has a terrible second half?" I think people are married to the status quo, and that's fine, but the responses in this thread are way overblown IMO. Most of these long timers fear change. I find it extremely interesting and would love to try it from the beginning in a league. Dont like it for a league as historically correct as this has been. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jul 31, 2018 11:23:01 GMT -5
I might honestly begin to lose interest in this league if any lottery or wheel shit happens...not for me
Then I challenge how much you're invested in this league in the first place. Not even willing to have a discussion about doing something about tanking isn't a good look.
I love the league. I despise a few gm's here but I've been here since the start. As spencer has said, this is a historical league and introducing something like this is a little late and it's too big of an adjustment for me to really want that to happen. And by the way, I do a lot of work with the banks and exporting so I'm as devoted to this league as anyone and if you hadn't just joined, you wouldn't have questioned me. And no tanking is not an issue. I could probably point out 5-10 other problems in this league that are more relevant but I'm fine with the way shit is right now. |
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 11:24:31 GMT -5
Im all in for a wheel league with a non modified league file and drafts.
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bigmark
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Post by bigmark on Jul 31, 2018 12:33:21 GMT -5
I might honestly begin to lose interest in this league if any lottery or wheel shit happens...not for me
Then I challenge how much you're invested in this league in the first place. Not even willing to have a discussion about doing something about tanking isn't a good look.
Brand new GM calling out one of the more active and original GM's just cause they don't agree for commitment. Now that's classic 😂 |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 17:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah but you and I both know you were getting complaints about me while they ignored a team that literally didn't have backups all year last season. Is this true or is this just Break making it all about himself again? I've never had an issue with how GM's run their team in this league. I guess you could say I'm essentially "tanking" right now. I knew I had a rebuild coming and then a year or two ago I started a little hotter than I anticipated and ended up being a buyer instead of a seller, ended up letting some FA's walk that I could have moved and now I'm paying the price. My team is bankrupt from trying to make a run and I'm about a year in to a rebuild. People who are active and are in rebuild mode shouldn't be punished, especially when they put forth effort and more importantly a lot of dollars and lost a lot of youth trying to compete a few years prior. I know someone was complaining to him he wouldn't spill the beans though  |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 17:55:31 GMT -5
Too much integrity for my liking sometimes Chris  |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 18:01:48 GMT -5
I just laugh anyways find me a rule I'm breaking and I'll take the tank stuff seriously. I just hate wheel unless it's the from the start like it was in hftc
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 19:54:02 GMT -5
It takes less skill to sit between 60-90 wins forever because you don't sell your good pieces when it's time.
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Post by bub6708 on Jul 31, 2018 20:00:08 GMT -5
It takes less skill to sit between 60-90 wins forever because you don't sell your good pieces when it's time.
Right.
So knowing that the wheel was started after 50 seasons in HFTC, is there another reason you wouldn't want to do something about tanking?
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 20:09:44 GMT -5
I just laugh anyways find me a rule I'm breaking and I'll take the tank stuff seriously. I just hate wheel unless it's the from the start like it was in hftc It's not about you break, I've said that already lol --- it's about the concept of full-blown tanking and it's been on my mind for a long while now. It just so happens you are tanking right this minute. Stool is too. I did it a couple seasons ago (49 wins). I'm just saying there needs to be an incentive to field a reasonable team (meaning not lose 110+ games) while still rebuilding as intended. The reason it is coming up now is that Matt (HFTC) gave me an idea. That idea does not have much support (at this time), so I'm moving onto another idea, which I'll post shorty (still at work). I appreciate the input, so please calm down and no one quit. Jeeeeezzzzzz. So youre saying this is being brought up specifically because of Break? |
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Post by Matt on Jul 31, 2018 20:13:39 GMT -5
It's not about you break, I've said that already lol --- it's about the concept of full-blown tanking and it's been on my mind for a long while now. It just so happens you are tanking right this minute. Stool is too. I did it a couple seasons ago (49 wins). I'm just saying there needs to be an incentive to field a reasonable team (meaning not lose 110+ games) while still rebuilding as intended. The reason it is coming up now is that Matt (HFTC) gave me an idea. That idea does not have much support (at this time), so I'm moving onto another idea, which I'll post shorty (still at work). I appreciate the input, so please calm down and no one quit. Jeeeeezzzzzz. So youre saying this is being brought up specifically because of Break? Did you not read the first sentence of what you quoted? |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jul 31, 2018 20:24:29 GMT -5
in retrospect, the tanking here, allowed me to win the east during a rebuild....
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Post by Reddington on Jul 31, 2018 20:54:04 GMT -5
in retrospect, the tanking here, allowed me to win the east during a rebuild.... That is rebuilding; your worst season was 77 wins in 1975 and I am not even sure you were around then? If not, 78 wins in 1978. I'm just looking at uber-tanking, not the concept of rebuilding. Rebuilding is not tanking. nah, I was commenting my 77 east pennant was cause shale started tanking that season, he could have easily won the east. |
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Post by Reddington on Jul 31, 2018 21:18:29 GMT -5
still wish there was some way to incentivize people to win as many games possible, no matter what
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Jul 31, 2018 21:35:17 GMT -5
you need to get paid hourly for the hrs you put in |
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 21:46:09 GMT -5
So youre saying this is being brought up specifically because of Break? Did you not read the first sentence of what you quoted? It was sarcasm my good man. |
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Post by Matt on Jul 31, 2018 21:50:48 GMT -5
Did you not read the first sentence of what you quoted? It was sarcasm my good man. Picking up sarcasm on the internet = hard to do. My apologies. |
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Post by Danny Glover on Jul 31, 2018 21:59:15 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve drafted higher then 22nd in over a decade
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 22:56:40 GMT -5
Is this cause of Break?
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 23:31:04 GMT -5
This league is pretty great. Its probably the best baseball sim ive been in overall. I think were kinda blowing this up. I have no problem with tanking as long as youre playing your best possible players. My issue here has always been the same. I feel like a handful of guys dont really wanna interact. It limits trading. Other then that its pretty perfect. Don't really interact or only want to trade when they know they're taking someone out back. |
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 23:31:51 GMT -5
This league is pretty great. Its probably the best baseball sim ive been in overall. I think were kinda blowing this up. I have no problem with tanking as long as youre playing your best possible players. My issue here has always been the same. I feel like a handful of guys dont really wanna interact. It limits trading. Other then that its pretty perfect. Don't really interact or only want to trade when they know they're taking someone out back. Ya. Agreed. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 23:36:04 GMT -5
I think to build a sustainable system from one that wasn't there is a period where your team is just going to suck. I'm thinking longterm with this build. I don't want to be trading my 1st away every year while I compete next run.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 23:37:46 GMT -5
I traded everyone on my team worth at least a 3rd. That left me with not much on the major league roster. I then went out and signed like 7 mid range FA and 1 top tier FA to have as a veteran when I want to win again. Not much more I can do the swing in a baseball season is +or-17 games. A team that wins 50 had the potential to win 67 or 33. Look up the math on it.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jul 31, 2018 23:38:48 GMT -5
This offseason I didn't sign anyone because I moved all my money for points and the money spent isn't worth enough to make me want to sign someone rather than just use a AAAA player to stopgap.
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2018 23:39:35 GMT -5
I traded everyone on my team worth at least a 3rd. That left me with not much on the major league roster. I then went out and signed like 7 mid range FA and 1 top tier FA to have as a veteran when I want to win again. Not much more I can do the swing in a baseball season is +or-17 games. A team that wins 50 had the potential to win 67 or 33. Look up the math on it. Its the only way to rebuild. Unless youre an awesome GM like Trevor. |
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