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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 13:04:24 GMT -5
First, thank you to the teams that voted for me. I certainly appreciate that recognition, even though, like Chris, I don't feel I did anything special. I don't seek out a lot of trades because I simply don't enjoy the social aspects of games like this. (And this thread is a great example of why I would rather stay away.) Sorry! But I love baseball, statistics, and I really enjoy drafting and managing this team. I set up my entire organization every year, down to the #9 hitter on my A-ball team. So I may not be a big presence around here, but I play the game as much as anyone. You can see that by the export tracker (I've tied or led the league in export points for 4 straight seasons) and the fact that I've never had a draft pick automated because I didn't pick or send a list. As for Shale, congratulations on a great season. Sorry you didn't get more Manager of the Year support, but it seems a little petty and childish to complain about Manager of the Year voting. (And voters might remember that in future seasons.) I didn't ask for votes, and was surprised to see the amount of support I had. Nor should I have to defend my votes. As the sole voter for both St Louis and Detroit, my criteria was that they were simply the best teams this season. Playoffs are irrelevant to me, since those are statistical coin flips. And in real life, voting for seasonal awards is done before the playoffs anyway. If this is a problem, then just have someone create an algorithm that automatically determines the winner. Anyway, thanks again to everyone and good luck in 1985! I understand where you’re coming from, but I do have evidence that at least 3 specific GM’s here would never vote for me because they don’t like me as a person. That was all I was trying to say. My gripe is when people get personal and vote against a certain individual because of who that individual is as a person and not because of anything to do with the team they run. I’m definitely being petty towards Matt C Mark and anyone else that I’ve had beef with for 3-4+ real life years, but I don’t see it as childish because I think they’re being childish for voting against me just for personal reasons and nothing to do with what my team did. I’m just trying to prove a point that integrity in these polls are dead and if that’s the case, voting is irrelevant and should be cancelled. Again my posts had NOTHING to do with you and your team accomplishments. It all has to do with my particular haters using their blatant hatred towards me by skewing the votes accordingly. I was bullied my entire childhood so I can easily tell when people make decisions that are personal and will negatively impact me. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 13:06:04 GMT -5
If we all had the same criteria for every reward wouldnt voting be irrelevant? We get to value different things and voice our own opinion. Sure but no one can outdo the evidence I provided. This should be my award but whatever. |
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2019 13:17:34 GMT -5
But I'm the one with an issue? I told you exactly why I voted for him. It has nothing to do with anything between us. His team greatly exceeded his fan expectations.
By your argument, you're in the same boat as me. You were expected to win the division and you did.
Numbers don't lie.
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 13:20:04 GMT -5
If we all had the same criteria for every reward wouldnt voting be irrelevant? We get to value different things and voice our own opinion. Sure but no one can outdo the evidence I provided. This should be my award but whatever. You essentially said yes but no. You have no perspective to how others may view what a good manager is. I didn't vote for you. You were my 3rd choice. I have no vendetta against you. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 13:20:32 GMT -5
We shouldnt need to defend our votes. Take the L Shale. It happens.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 13:24:24 GMT -5
We shouldnt need to defend our votes. Take the L Shale. It happens. So you truly don’t believe Matt C Mark or anyone else put together a big ass PM thread organizing a conspiracy to vote against me to piss me off because they don’t like me? I’m trying to prove that the voting is more personal than anyone else wants to admit. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 13:29:14 GMT -5
We shouldnt need to defend our votes. Take the L Shale. It happens. So you truly don’t believe Matt C Mark or anyone else put together a big ass PM thread organizing a conspiracy to vote against me to piss me off because they don’t like me? I’m trying to prove that the voting is more personal than anyone else wants to admit. I dont think either of those guys cares enough about you to do that tbh shale. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 13:30:10 GMT -5
I dont want to make your concerns seem juvenile but I'd venture to say that extreme action seems almost impossible.
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Post by bigmark on Jan 29, 2019 13:35:40 GMT -5
First, thank you to the teams that voted for me. I certainly appreciate that recognition, even though, like Chris, I don't feel I did anything special. I don't seek out a lot of trades because I simply don't enjoy the social aspects of games like this. (And this thread is a great example of why I would rather stay away.) Sorry! But I love baseball, statistics, and I really enjoy drafting and managing this team. I set up my entire organization every year, down to the #9 hitter on my A-ball team. So I may not be a big presence around here, but I play the game as much as anyone. You can see that by the export tracker (I've tied or led the league in export points for 4 straight seasons) and the fact that I've never had a draft pick automated because I didn't pick or send a list. As for Shale, congratulations on a great season. Sorry you didn't get more Manager of the Year support, but it seems a little petty and childish to complain about Manager of the Year voting. (And voters might remember that in future seasons.) I didn't ask for votes, and was surprised to see the amount of support I had. Nor should I have to defend my votes. As the sole voter for both St Louis and Detroit, my criteria was that they were simply the best teams this season. Playoffs are irrelevant to me, since those are statistical coin flips. And in real life, voting for seasonal awards is done before the playoffs anyway. If this is a problem, then just have someone create an algorithm that automatically determines the winner. Anyway, thanks again to everyone and good luck in 1985! I understand where you’re coming from, but I do have evidence that at least 3 specific GM’s here would never vote for me because they don’t like me as a person. That was all I was trying to say. My gripe is when people get personal and vote against a certain individual because of who that individual is as a person and not because of anything to do with the team they run. I’m definitely being petty towards Matt C Mark and anyone else that I’ve had beef with for 3-4+ real life years, but I don’t see it as childish because I think they’re being childish for voting against me just for personal reasons and nothing to do with what my team did. I’m just trying to prove a point that integrity in these polls are dead and if that’s the case, voting is irrelevant and should be cancelled. Again my posts had NOTHING to do with you and your team accomplishments. It all has to do with my particular haters using their blatant hatred towards me by skewing the votes accordingly. I was bullied my entire childhood so I can easily tell when people make decisions that are personal and will negatively impact me. I voted for Philly for same reasons as others. Plus I saw that had the most votes when I voted. Got lazy and quickly added a vote. lol If I cared about this online beef you sadly carry with you... I wouldn't even trade with you like I have. Unlike you I could careless what people I know only through a baseball league think of me to hold grudges or hate for that long. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 15:05:31 GMT -5
So you truly don’t believe Matt C Mark or anyone else put together a big ass PM thread organizing a conspiracy to vote against me to piss me off because they don’t like me? I’m trying to prove that the voting is more personal than anyone else wants to admit. I dont think either of those guys cares enough about you to do that tbh shale. I think people tend to vote who did the best (ws champ) or a surprise playoff appearance. could there be some personal issues, sure, but I doubt enough to matter compared to the over all trend. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 15:07:09 GMT -5
Maybe not a PM to everyone but I figured you may have tried to convince mark, josh, Jeff, Jen, Darryl, Dougie and the Rangers guy, among others that if many people voted against me, I’d overreact and you all will get a kick out of it. So yeah I believe some pre-arranged voting plans may have taken place. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 15:11:18 GMT -5
Maybe not a PM to everyone but I figured you may have tried to convince mark, josh, Jeff, Jen, Darryl, Dougie and the Rangers guy, among others that if many people voted against me, I’d overreact and you all will get a kick out of it. So yeah I believe some pre-arranged voting plans may have taken place. Shale I sincerely wish this wasn't part of your personality. For your own well being. It isn't healthy man. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 15:12:36 GMT -5
I dont think either of those guys cares enough about you to do that tbh shale. I think people tend to vote who did the best (ws champ) or a surprise playoff appearance. could there be some personal issues, sure, but I doubt enough to matter compared to the over all trend. If the decision is close I can see something personal coming into play. But overall I dont think grown men conspire against each other. Maybe in politics. |
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2019 15:13:55 GMT -5
Maybe not a PM to everyone but I figured you may have tried to convince mark, josh, Jeff, Jen, Darryl, Dougie and the Rangers guy, among others that if many people voted against me, I’d overreact and you all will get a kick out of it. So yeah I believe some pre-arranged voting plans may have taken place. I'd venture a majority of the guys you listed don't like you already, so there's no need to conspire. You've not even acknowledged my reasoning to give me my points yet. Have there been times I avoided voting for you and others just because? Yep. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But I also actually take time to have reasons behind my votes. I've stated mine here. I'm also a guy, unless there's an obvious choice, that usually uses save % as my reasoning for picking my reliever of the year. |
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Post by Darryl on Jan 29, 2019 15:50:44 GMT -5
Maybe not a PM to everyone but I figured you may have tried to convince mark, josh, Jeff, Jen, Darryl, Dougie and the Rangers guy, among others that if many people voted against me, I’d overreact and you all will get a kick out of it. So yeah I believe some pre-arranged voting plans may have taken place. So i guess they forgot to include me on this campaign cause I actually voted for you. My voting strategy for MoY is always which teams did better than i expected they would . If no one meets that criteria i move onto most dominant. The conspiracy theories and pettiness is getting a bit much as of late. It's a sim league for fun. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 15:57:33 GMT -5
Maybe not a PM to everyone but I figured you may have tried to convince mark, josh, Jeff, Jen, Darryl, Dougie and the Rangers guy, among others that if many people voted against me, I’d overreact and you all will get a kick out of it. So yeah I believe some pre-arranged voting plans may have taken place. So i guess they forgot to include me on this campaign cause I actually voted for you. My voting strategy for MoY is always which teams did better than i expected they would . If no one meets that criteria i move onto most dominant. The conspiracy theories and pettiness is getting a bit much as of late. It's a sim league for fun. Last I checked I saw 3 votes for me and figured they were from Break, Danchevy and myself. But if you have since added to this, I appreciate the love. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 19:01:06 GMT -5
This is one of the more ridiculous threads I have read, and makes me want to quit ootp again. Why cant we just all be adults here? Im sorry you feel this way Shale, I truly am.
In no way should i have to explain myself over a fake award in a fake baseball league, but to try to help you understand my thought process I will, because i feel bad anyone would think like this.
I have not heard from Matt or anyone else. We exchanged a PM at the waiver deadline because he won the claim on Guerrero. Other than that, i have not talked to him since my first season here.
Here was my thought process. I actually thought @cubsgm was the GM of the year due to the trades he made. But he wasnt going to win anyway and this is for manager of the year. My next thought was to vote NYM because I felt he came out of nowhere. So I went to fan expectations to verify my thought. To my surprise you were expected to win 95.4 games. You won 98. I noticed philly was expected to win 81, and finished just behind you with 94. That was enough to sway me to Philly.
That was the extent of my thought process. The end.
This thread should be locked, its toxic.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 29, 2019 19:34:24 GMT -5
Christ.
Some good posts in here though.
I'll lock soon so others can still vote.
Shale, RELAX or I'll have to get rid of voting altogether which would be a shame since we reward people 3 points for voting.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 23:04:45 GMT -5
I'ma start off my final post in this thread apologizing to Nick for him having to deal with this thread during my rants. Any time I feel like I'm being personally slighted, my only thought process is to raise hell until some sort of mutual understanding is reached. I should admit that I rarely, if ever, have put stock into fan expectations when it came to voting in the MoY polls. The test sims are too random for me to view them as being reliable, especially considering no one else besides Trevor or Chris could see exactly what injuries or PD increases/decreases greatly affected certain teams. But to the credit of the people that voted for Nick, he did greatly exceed fan expectations. Now I'm fully aware that others put a lot of stock into fan expectations. I on the other hand have always looked at the real end of season results and determine which of the 4 playoff teams in each league deserve it the most. I tend to go for the teams that either shocked everyone, or in my case this past season, made a shit ton of moves to turn a subpar team into a division champ. I also agree that this poll should really focus on regular season accomplishments more than anything. I'm glad I can understand this all a bit better. I may have been wrong this time to assume Matt Carpenter was up to some silly shit, but at least I know the truth now and that's what matters at the end of the day. For me, it's about the principle of integrity that I care about more than anything. Winning this award is secondary to making sure the voting is always done in the most unbiased way. Have there been times I avoided voting for you and others just because? Yep. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. As for you, Matt, this was all I wanted to hear from you when I initially noticed the polling results. Thank you for finally admitting the truth I knew all this time. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 29, 2019 23:23:12 GMT -5
Good to know I'm officially a better person than Matt. I'm not so petty that I don't vote for people who disagree with me on things just because they're them. That's a really shitty thing to do to anyone. Spread more hate!
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 29, 2019 23:34:52 GMT -5
Takes a true sociopath to act above people while being astoundingly more petty.
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2019 23:40:26 GMT -5
So i should happily agree and vote for people that call me a "gun toting red neck " for fun?
I didn't not vote for him because we disagreed, I did it because of his choice of words to call a guy who is a public school teacher.
Saw a colleague lose his job for less tonight.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 30, 2019 0:01:40 GMT -5
So i should happily agree and vote for people that call me a "gun toting red neck " for fun? I didn't not vote for him because we disagreed, I did it because of his choice of words to call a guy who is a public school teacher. Saw a colleague lose his job for less tonight. Get over it? I've been called 100 worse things and I don't not vote for people in a fucking hobby over it. Grow the fuck up. He's not doing a job. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 30, 2019 0:05:51 GMT -5
I've had people call me racist and nazi the last two years in public because I simply believe in a few right leaning policies. They're just words.
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