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Post by Matt on Mar 3, 2020 14:03:42 GMT -5
The ratings in this league are so out of whack.
I’m proposing that one way of fixing this would be to stop editing draft classes. There should be 2 or 3 elite talents in each draft followed by the next tier of guys. Right now, by editing class, the top 10 picks all have chance to be great. We can already upgrade players, so this makes more sense.
There are players among all teams that are playing way below there talent/ratings. I find it worrisome that the only way to win in this league is to have four or five 10AR SP. I think it’s also a problem that any pitcher with 7 or 8AR is isn’t viable here.
If something isn’t done regarding the over saturation of talent, you’re going to get super teams. If you look around the league and see the division leads, it’s already happening now.
It also brings GM skill into play.
Right now it seems all you need to do is win for 6-7 years, then turn around and tank for 6-7 years and repeat. What skill is there in losing on purpose to get top 5 players to dominate for a short period of time to have to lose again?
In the end, I think this could make our off-seasons more smooth and a little shorter if we do less editing of things.
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 14:09:22 GMT -5
The ratings in this league are so out of whack. I’m proposing that one way of fixing this would be to stop editing draft classes. There should be 2 or 3 elite talents in each draft followed by the next tier of guys. Right now, by editing class, the top 10 picks all have chance to be great. We can already upgrade players, so this makes more sense. If something isn’t done regarding the over saturation of talent, you’re going to get super teams. If you look around the league and see the division leads, it’s already happening now. I edited more people down than up the last two drafts. The notable exceptions are the guys that had 9+ years of amazing, that would become mediocre because they played 20+ years |
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 14:11:59 GMT -5
pitchers with BB/9 > 4 were rated as "Good" all over the place, several with HR/9 > 2.5 rated as brilliant, it was redic
don't even get me started on the hitters
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 3, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5
It's more to do with reversals than anything. If you can reverse everything you will only get positive pds on good players
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Post by Matt on Mar 3, 2020 15:45:16 GMT -5
pitchers with BB/9 > 4 were rated as "Good" all over the place, several with HR/9 > 2.5 rated as brilliant, it was redic don't even get me started on the hitters I think you're using old files that someone else edited in another league. So yeah, probably well overrated there. |
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Post by Matt on Mar 3, 2020 15:46:51 GMT -5
It's more to do with reversals than anything. If you can reverse everything you will only get positive pds on good players Even though I've benefited from it a few times, and am currently looking for cash, I've always been a fan of only trading players and picks. No trading of cash for points. If you trade for a guy with a ridiculous contract and they send cash to help there, no issue at all. But no cash-points deals. |
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 15:49:28 GMT -5
pitchers with BB/9 > 4 were rated as "Good" all over the place, several with HR/9 > 2.5 rated as brilliant, it was redic don't even get me started on the hitters I think you're using old files that someone else edited in another league. So yeah, probably well overrated there. nope, these are not imported from a different league, what Chis does when he uses them is compare them from the other league to speed it up. What I do is just look at baseball-reference.com/ and compare the stats a player had to the sheet Chris gave me to go by |
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 15:49:57 GMT -5
you cannot import from another league
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 3, 2020 17:35:13 GMT -5
I always find it funny when people who have never simmed or created a draft have the answers
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 3, 2020 18:46:35 GMT -5
The problem if we start this now it’s unfair to new teams starting a rebuild, makes specs even more valuable ... when there is already a problem trading
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 18:47:40 GMT -5
if anything, what would help is if we stopped all upgrades to good (other than holiday bonus), would cause avg to become used. All this solution does is make 95% of the players to be about the same.
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Post by Reddington on Mar 3, 2020 18:55:36 GMT -5
The problem if we start this now it’s unfair to new teams starting a rebuild, makes specs even more valuable ... when there is already a problem trading we already took care of the most glaring issues with amazing pitching, there is going to be a lot less going forward and the issue he is talking about is going to drastically reduce since there will be no more Henke's, Zen's, Harvey's, Jacksons, and Guante's being stud starters, instead of just being stud relievers. Not a ton of amazing pitchers coming up in the draft over the next 15 years. |
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 3, 2020 19:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah and the cash issues help too
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 7:53:24 GMT -5
Sounds like there's probably a lot of little tweaks that cuold be made. No more conversions to SP and being conservative with who to give E SP duration ratings to is one of the first good steps. Whatever we decide to do will likely take 3-5 seasons to "correct".
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 10:41:49 GMT -5
IMO this post is an overreaction from a GM that is spinning his wheels.
Matt youve had trouble the last decade accepting that youll need to change how you do things to compete now. I bet 6of you just tried to do things a little differently you'd be a viable contemder in 5 years. Youre one of the best GMs here but I think youre being stubborn recently.
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Post by dougiejays on Mar 4, 2020 10:58:06 GMT -5
IMO this post is an overreaction from a GM that is spinning his wheels. Matt youve had trouble the last decade accepting that youll need to change how you do things to compete now. I bet 6of you just tried to do things a little differently you'd be a viable contemder in 5 years. Youre one of the best GMs here but I think youre being stubborn recently. I remember I had a similar freak out a few seasons ago when I couldn’t even get a third rounder for Kravec. Pretty much thought I’d never be able to compete, but I changed a few things, got a few breaks, and now my team’s kicking ass. In general I’m still not a fan of all the editing, but that’s what this league is. Gotta play with what you got... |
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2020 11:15:20 GMT -5
IMO this post is an overreaction from a GM that is spinning his wheels. Matt youve had trouble the last decade accepting that youll need to change how you do things to compete now. I bet 6of you just tried to do things a little differently you'd be a viable contemder in 5 years. Youre one of the best GMs here but I think youre being stubborn recently. I remember I had a similar freak out a few seasons ago when I couldn’t even get a third rounder for Kravec. Pretty much thought I’d never be able to compete, but I changed a few things, got a few breaks, and now my team’s kicking ass. In general I’m still not a fan of all the editing, but that’s what this league is. Gotta play with what you got... This is from a conversation with a few different GM's in the league. Mainly the non-vocal ones and one of them asked me to create the post. I'm to the point I don't care what the usual loud mouth opposition says and said I'd post for the rest. A few don't want to post because of the few that will jump in and turn everything into the problem with the GM (what a coincidence) instead of trying to continue to change to improve. But now that has happened and I've replied, so we'll continue on how it's my stubbornness that's the issue. |
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 11:33:51 GMT -5
Just realized the question is a little vague ... what is meant by "limit"? Is it "no edits at all" or is it "downgrading the ratings" we had been using for reference?
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2020 11:55:33 GMT -5
Just realized the question is a little vague ... what is meant by "limit"? Is it "no edits at all" or is it "downgrading the ratings" we had been using for reference? That mainly a limit how many were edited. Instead of the top 10 being nearly interchangeable top players (or close to it) maybe just 2 or 3? |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Mar 4, 2020 11:59:12 GMT -5
Just realized the question is a little vague ... what is meant by "limit"? Is it "no edits at all" or is it "downgrading the ratings" we had been using for reference? That mainly a limit how many were edited. Instead of the top 10 being nearly interchangeable top players (or close to it) maybe just 2 or 3? Doing that would only make people tank worse. |
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2020 12:16:07 GMT -5
That mainly a limit how many were edited. Instead of the top 10 being nearly interchangeable top players (or close to it) maybe just 2 or 3? Doing that would only make people tank worse. Or limit it because there are fewer players to get? |
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 12:17:11 GMT -5
We all play by the same rules yet some are unable to compete. Hmm. Interesting.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 12:18:03 GMT -5
If we were talking about real life or politics i wonder how this would go.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 12:22:25 GMT -5
Making the drafts worse will only hurt the bad teams.
Most of the historical bad franchises have inactive Gms.
Be active. Notice trends. Keep your financials together. Buy when good teams are selling.
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Post by dgfred on Mar 4, 2020 12:42:33 GMT -5
I 'think' maybe the holiday rewards are the bad things because you can upgrade guys freely that have already used their max upgrades.
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