stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 12:42:37 GMT -5
Making the drafts worse will only hurt the bad teams. Most of the historical bad franchises have inactive Gms. Be active. Notice trends. Keep your financials together. Buy when good teams are selling. |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 12:43:09 GMT -5
or just be a bad gm like me lol.
Trading is hard here have to get creative
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 12:47:38 GMT -5
I 'think' maybe the holiday rewards are the bad things because you can upgrade guys freely that have already used their max upgrades. I'm glad you brought that up. My thought is to do a few things. One of the things on the table is to eliminate reward camps but keep player reversals. We can either eliminate reward camps altogether or only allow primary rating changes up to Fair and Average and continue to allow secondary ratings changes, except to speed (you can't really "teach" or "improve" speed after all). With either, I would continue to have Holiday Rewards, but add an interim Holiday Rewards for the Fourth of July (basically once every 3 seasons). |
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 12:48:48 GMT -5
I think lots of GMs are reluctant to trade. Also reluctant to pay the price to get players you need.
Too many GMs value mediocre young talent over elite older talent.
If you wanna try and slowly fix ratings increase the cost of reversals. Dont mess with drafts.
Increase all reversals by 5. Eventually points will dry up or GMs wont reverse everyone.
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 12:50:53 GMT -5
I still feel this is more a symptom of certain GMs being stubborn. How are some GMs able to win and not others when the rules are the same?
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -5
Doing that would only make people tank worse. Or limit it because there are fewer players to get? Do you mean only edit the best 3-5 players and leave the rest of the draft alone or edit all players so there are only 3-5 clearly defined superstars? I ask this because if we leave the rest of the draft alone, we're going to have 100 average players, many of them with 6's, 7's and higher actual ratings. I think what gets lost in what I do in the off-season is that I depress 80% of the players so they are "not ready". if I didn't do that, you'd have a 19-year old 5th rounder in the bullpen because they already have a 6 AR rating. If the intent is to edit all players so there are only 3-5 clearly defined superstars, then we need to agree on the ratings chart. I agree the chart I had been using was inflated, but think the OOTP5 chart is deflated. |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 12:52:30 GMT -5
I still feel this is more a symptom of certain GMs being stubborn. How are some GMs able to win and not others when the rules are the same? Cause i cant reserve anyone good. |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 12:53:51 GMT -5
ive won the division many times, but i cant get past this hump in the playoff since i went to 3 straight world series
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 12:54:23 GMT -5
Other leagues I haven't had issues winning, it is just hard to trade and rebuild here IMO
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 13:02:10 GMT -5
I think the overall GM quality isnt better here. I do think we have a handful of GMs that would rather be 500 every year than make trades.
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 13:03:12 GMT -5
I think the overall GM quality isnt better here. I do think we have a handful of GMs that would rather be 500 every year than make trades. Guess I just suck ha! |
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Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Mar 4, 2020 13:07:46 GMT -5
I think the overall GM quality isnt better here. I do think we have a handful of GMs that would rather be 500 every year than make trades. Guess I just suck ha! I think winning a ws here is harder. I think your activity levels here are inconsistent though. |
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 13:13:19 GMT -5
I think winning a ws here is harder. I think your activity levels here are inconsistent though. I would agree. I really think reservations, of historically good teams is such a boost. |
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Reddington
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Atlanta Braves
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Post by Reddington on Mar 4, 2020 13:29:26 GMT -5
I 'think' maybe the holiday rewards are the bad things because you can upgrade guys freely that have already used their max upgrades. holiday rewards happen every 5-6 seasons, and are a very strategic thing to use. |
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Mar 4, 2020 13:30:20 GMT -5
One issue, even with doing this gradually, is that it changes the value of prospects that were recently or are about to be traded. For example, I just dealt a GGGG pitching prospect because I figure a guy like that is pretty marginal with these ratings, maybe I wouldn't have done that if I thought those were #2/#3 starter-type ratings
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dgfred
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Post by dgfred on Mar 4, 2020 13:30:21 GMT -5
I thought we had stuff yearly.
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Mar 4, 2020 13:39:45 GMT -5
I thought we had stuff yearly. yearly as in every xmas, yes. anything else is paying points to improve, and talked to Chris about maybe no more good upgrades via points to help with the issue. |
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 13:40:45 GMT -5
I like the idea of increasing PD reversals too.
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Post by CSCommish on Mar 4, 2020 13:44:40 GMT -5
I think it would help if I posted a raw file for next season's draft, unedited.
And then I will ask if we should make any edits.
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stooolfan
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Post by stooolfan on Mar 4, 2020 13:45:06 GMT -5
I like the idea of increasing PD reversals too. Can I get Barry bonds sent to my team |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Mar 4, 2020 13:52:54 GMT -5
I like the idea of increasing PD reversals too. You already did increase PD costs, use to be free for a month and only cost 2-5 per subsequent. |
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Matt
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2020 14:02:37 GMT -5
One issue, even with doing this gradually, is that it changes the value of prospects that were recently or are about to be traded. For example, I just dealt a GGGG pitching prospect because I figure a guy like that is pretty marginal with these ratings, maybe I wouldn't have done that if I thought those were #2/#3 starter-type ratings Which is where the problem starts to being with. When a guy with all good ratings is barely a #5 SP, something needs to be done. |
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Mar 4, 2020 14:04:58 GMT -5
One issue, even with doing this gradually, is that it changes the value of prospects that were recently or are about to be traded. For example, I just dealt a GGGG pitching prospect because I figure a guy like that is pretty marginal with these ratings, maybe I wouldn't have done that if I thought those were #2/#3 starter-type ratings Which is where the problem starts to being with. When a guy with all good ratings is barely a #5 SP, something needs to be done. stop allowing upgrades to good, and then good is good.... as it is, everyone is good. your suggested fix doesn't fix the issue, it just makes everyone the same. |
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dougiejays
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Post by dougiejays on Mar 4, 2020 14:05:55 GMT -5
One issue, even with doing this gradually, is that it changes the value of prospects that were recently or are about to be traded. For example, I just dealt a GGGG pitching prospect because I figure a guy like that is pretty marginal with these ratings, maybe I wouldn't have done that if I thought those were #2/#3 starter-type ratings Which is where the problem starts to being with. When a guy with all good ratings is barely a #5 SP, something needs to be done. Yeah I know, I’m just saying that once you adjust to the jacked-up ratings you start valuing 5 star prospects like 4 star, 4 star as three star, etc |
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bigmark
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Chicago White Sox
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Post by bigmark on Mar 4, 2020 14:11:51 GMT -5
I 'think' maybe the holiday rewards are the bad things because you can upgrade guys freely that have already used their max upgrades. I'm glad you brought that up. My thought is to do a few things. One of the things on the table is to eliminate reward camps but keep player reversals. We can either eliminate reward camps altogether or only allow primary rating changes up to Fair and Average and continue to allow secondary ratings changes, except to speed (you can't really "teach" or "improve" speed after all). With either, I would continue to have Holiday Rewards, but add an interim Holiday Rewards for the Fourth of July (basically once every 3 seasons). I.think that's an overreaction. Simple no more bumps to brilliant would do. |
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