Spencer
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:04:57 GMT -5
I think people just want to know what we use.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -5
550 PA?
Peak years?
Etc.
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Reddington
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:06:22 GMT -5
Can someone explain how you get Loyalty and Desire for Winner? Rebuilding and small market teams like Cincinnati have a really hard time with these. Should SP- Pettitte be Average in Loyal at least cause he played 15 out of 18 games with the NYY?? Yes. He should be loyal. I agree, but I dont go through those often though in the draft, just one of the things I forget to check. Also I think it's one of those commish calls imho for gripes |
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:07:24 GMT -5
Ya. Thats what gripes are for.
You do talents. If we care enough we can gripe character or speed and defense.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:08:59 GMT -5
I do think we should post the requirements for talents. I think people should be able to gripe for players theyd like to gripe for using the info that actual makes a difference
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:09:38 GMT -5
both. Chris is gonna post the document of what we talked about soon(tm) with the ratings, we just didn't finish it. Some of our discussions have been in chat and need to be put into the final document, as he wants people to understand how it is done so that if I goof on a person, it'll be easy for someone to check based on the document. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 12:09:53 GMT -5
Yea, we can't be 100% perfect, but that's why I offer this 1-2 day long griping session. Good for transparency.
Speaking of which, I'll post/sticky what Brian and I used for this season.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:11:20 GMT -5
Whats BRILL for HR/allowed for pitchers?
Rueter had a career 1.0. Thats GOOD?
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Post by Spencer on Apr 15, 2020 12:12:25 GMT -5
Yea, we can't be 100% perfect, but that's why I offer this 1-2 day long griping session. Good for transparency. Speaking of which, I'll post/sticky what Brian and I used for this season. I dont think people expect perfection. Ive been told the requirements before but I forgot. |
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:18:51 GMT -5
Ya. Thats what gripes are for. You do talents. If we care enough we can gripe character or speed and defense. I tried to do defence for all 3 star and higher batters, but not for pitchers... |
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jahallstar
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 15, 2020 12:19:57 GMT -5
So what do you base it on? There is no real basis? Just fly by the pants? lol I know others used to use per 162 stats.
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:21:07 GMT -5
Whats BRILL for HR/allowed for pitchers? Rueter had a career 1.0. Thats GOOD? < .07, been that way for a long long time, even what Shale and the ootp5 rating uses... but not what the freaking import uses.... saw guys with 2.8 per 9 marked as brill |
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:24:24 GMT -5
So what do you base it on? There is no real basis? Just fly by the pants? lol I know others used to use per 162 stats. I'll look at the 162 over a career to save time, but not a 7 yr run where they played 150+ games each of those seasons. |
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 15, 2020 12:28:26 GMT -5
So not a 7 year run period? I don't understand what the number of games has to do with anything in those said 7 years. That is what averages is for. If someone played 161 games their 162 game average would be almost identical to their actual stats.
And isn't gripes for the masses to go through and find the anomalys that deviate from career stats?
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 15, 2020 12:29:38 GMT -5
Yes if someone played 7 games a season and got 2 HRs in those 7 games I agree that they should not be treated like a 50HR a year guy...lol
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:31:26 GMT -5
impossible. He only had two seasons with 27 HR which was his top 2 seasons, cant avg higher than you ever hit... i dont know what seasons you were looking at, for curiosity I did his top HR season and applied it to 162... Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB
2004 32 BAL AL 140 636 550 111 187 41 0 27 104 11 6 66
2005 33 BAL AL 149 664 593 86 168 30 1 27 88 7 4 50
2008 36 BAL AL 135 570 513 77 146 29 2 23 104 3 7 37
2002 30 BAL AL 149 652 557 86 130 30 4 19 64 16 10 70
2006 34 BAL AL 155 705 624 96 171 25 0 16 83 11 1 54
2003 31 BAL AL 96 413 344 68 109 17 1 15 48 6 3 49
2007 35 BAL AL 126 527 467 67 128 23 1 14 58 9 3 47
950 3648 1039 141 373
1.193684211 24.04421053 63.60631579
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Post by Reddington on Apr 15, 2020 12:36:19 GMT -5
So not a 7 year run period? I don't understand what the number of games has to do with anything in those said 7 years. That is what averages is for. If someone played 161 games their 162 game average would be almost identical to their actual stats. 161 to 162 is one thing, 150 or < to 162 is another, that give no time to recover from fatigue or minor injuries that most likely would cause their numbers to suffer, otherwise players wouldn't get days off. |
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Post by dougiejays on Apr 15, 2020 12:54:13 GMT -5
Why is Manny an A defender?
Shawn Green's peak was short, but he was a Brilliant power hitter from '98-'02.
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 12:59:14 GMT -5
Posted the chart --- it's announced. Feel free to review there. I think it will answer a lot of questions.
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 13:00:15 GMT -5
So what do you base it on? There is no real basis? Just fly by the pants? lol I know others used to use per 162 stats. I'll look at the 162 over a career to save time, but not a 7 yr run where they played 150+ games each of those seasons. I think you mean at first glance you'll look at 162 average at the bottom row ... but otherwise, yes, we do a 7-year run, ideally they have a certain number of games player in each of them, but not always. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 13:01:07 GMT -5
Why is Manny an A defender? Shawn Green's peak was short, but he was a Brilliant power hitter from '98-'02. We can review Manny's. As for Green -- yes he had that short peak, but if we apply the 7-year average, he's a high Good. If we use a 4-year average, then we need to use a 4-year average for everyone. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 13:03:27 GMT -5
So what do you base it on? There is no real basis? Just fly by the pants? lol I know others used to use per 162 stats. When you click on multiple seasons, like the 7-year average, on baseball-reference, it will give you average rates over the course of that time period. Whether it is 100 games or 162 games, is irrelevant because we're looking at rates, not totals. Of course, if we find a player averaged only say 50 games over a 7-year period, we're going to downgrade, because clearly that player did not have the talent to get the regular playing time. |
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Post by dougiejays on Apr 15, 2020 13:07:36 GMT -5
Why is Manny an A defender? Shawn Green's peak was short, but he was a Brilliant power hitter from '98-'02. We can review Manny's. As for Green -- yes he had that short peak, but if we apply the 7-year average, he's a high Good. If we use a 4-year average, then we need to use a 4-year average for everyone. Just looked it up and his 7-year average is 34.1 HR and 37.3 2B. Seems like he deserves a B rating in one or the other to indicate extra-base power. Edit: I suppose this was overall and not per 150 games or whatever. Still seems a little weird that a guy who was pushing Brilliant in both categories only ends up with goods, because doubles and homers are ultimately part of the same spectrum of XB power. The thing with Green is that as he started declining a whole whack of his homers turned into doubles, before he ultimately fell of a cliff and out of the league. |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 13:09:27 GMT -5
We can review Manny's. As for Green -- yes he had that short peak, but if we apply the 7-year average, he's a high Good. If we use a 4-year average, then we need to use a 4-year average for everyone. Just looked it up and his 7-year average is 34.1 HR and 37.3 2B. Seems like he deserves a B rating in one or the other to indicate extra-base power. Hmm, I assumed it was Good. Brian, can you check? |
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Post by CSCommish on Apr 15, 2020 13:09:35 GMT -5
Because that would help me =)
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