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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 14:18:06 GMT -5
That can't be true. Shale said so. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 14:20:18 GMT -5
That can't be true. Shale said so. Chris did specifically mention Nolan and Seaver and a few others in 1 thread that I'm gonna try to find for proof. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 14:26:19 GMT -5
I'm really opposed to Brilliant in Hits Against unless you are: Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Kerry Wood, Clayton Kershaw and similar. Oh, and Mariano Rivera, Bruce Sutter, Rich Gossage and Trevor Hoffman too. Like I said... |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 14:41:07 GMT -5
I'm really opposed to Brilliant in Hits Against unless you are: Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Kerry Wood, Clayton Kershaw and similar. Oh, and Mariano Rivera, Bruce Sutter, Rich Gossage and Trevor Hoffman too. Like I said... Every squirrel finds a nut sometimes. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 14:47:35 GMT -5
We'll see about that. Seaver's career batting average against is closer to the top Good rating than the bottom Brilliant rating.
And just to clarify, my comment above wasn't to say neither of those guys should have any B's. It's that you were giving them both B's across the board. I don't think either should have more than 3 B ratings to start with, based on what I've seen to date.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 14:49:32 GMT -5
We'll see about that. Seaver's career batting average against is closer to the top Good rating than the bottom Brilliant rating. And just to clarify, my comment above wasn't to say neither of those guys should have any B's. It's that you were giving them both B's across the board. I don't think either should have more than 3 B ratings to start with, based on what I've seen to date. lol I didn't rate Seaver brilliant walks |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 14:50:26 GMT -5
We'll see about that. Seaver's career batting average against is closer to the top Good rating than the bottom Brilliant rating. And just to clarify, my comment above wasn't to say neither of those guys should have any B's. It's that you were giving them both B's across the board. I don't think either should have more than 3 B ratings to start with, based on what I've seen to date. lol I didn't rate Seaver brilliant walks Yeah Jeremy...it was 4 out of 5, not all of them! Pay attention! |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 14:51:23 GMT -5
We'll see about that. Seaver's career batting average against is closer to the top Good rating than the bottom Brilliant rating. And just to clarify, my comment above wasn't to say neither of those guys should have any B's. It's that you were giving them both B's across the board. I don't think either should have more than 3 B ratings to start with, based on what I've seen to date. lol I didn't rate Seaver brilliant walks But you did in doubles and hits. And you suggested Ryan be B's in everything except BB's, and you wanted his BB rating bumped above where it should be too. We have a methodology here, we need to stick with it. If they come out with more B's than I'd like, given their actual stats consistent with how we've been rating, cool for you. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 14:51:54 GMT -5
Doubles are pretty much an average of hits and homers anyway, so if both are brilliant, then doubles automatically become brilliant
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 14:52:18 GMT -5
lol I didn't rate Seaver brilliant walks Yeah Jeremy...it was 4 out of 5, not all of them! Pay attention! Sorry, the lights went out in my teepee and I couldn't see to count. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 14:56:37 GMT -5
Is there a way to figure out what Koufax's initial talents were?
Just want to do a quick comparison.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:04:48 GMT -5
Is there a way to figure out what Koufax's initial talents were? Just want to do a quick comparison. Pretty sure he started out B/B/B/G/B I remember he definitely had brilliant hits and homers |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 15:12:00 GMT -5
Is there a way to figure out what Koufax's initial talents were? Just want to do a quick comparison. Pretty sure he started out B/B/B/G/B I remember he definitely had brilliant hits and homers He has never been B in doubles. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:31:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure he started out B/B/B/G/B I remember he definitely had brilliant hits and homers He has never been B in doubles. Oh weird |
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Post by bigmark on Jun 25, 2015 15:32:13 GMT -5
Facts who needs em.... every off season and draft discussion is the same. we follow the same method and format to create the guys using career stats and then the same gms come on the boards and cry foul that the players arent rated higher because they want to draft better players.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:34:50 GMT -5
Facts who needs em.... every off season and draft discussion is the same. we follow the same method and format to create the guys using career stats and then the same gms come on the boards and cry foul that the players arent rated higher because they want to draft better players. No personal motive here. I just feel that certain all-time legends should get the benefit of the doubt and recreated to be as good as they were in reality. |
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Post by bigmark on Jun 25, 2015 15:36:11 GMT -5
Facts who needs em.... every off season and draft discussion is the same. we follow the same method and format to create the guys using career stats and then the same gms come on the boards and cry foul that the players arent rated higher because they want to draft better players. No personal motive here. I just feel that certain all-time legends should get the benefit of the doubt and recreated to be as good as they were in reality. Whose reality? |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:36:41 GMT -5
I probably won't ever have Nolan Ryan, but I will be disappointed if he only has a fair in walks, which will essentially ruin him from becoming 1 of the greats
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:37:17 GMT -5
No personal motive here. I just feel that certain all-time legends should get the benefit of the doubt and recreated to be as good as they were in reality. Whose reality? Statistical reality according to BaseballReference.com |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:39:41 GMT -5
The goal of these sim leagues is to recreate reality and make the all-time greats in reality the all-time greats here, right? And then see how much better their careers could have been than they actually were. That's always been my #1 interest in participating in sim leagues, even slightly above just winning and competing. This is my way as a baseball junkie to re-live the past and see what could have happened to certain players, whose careers were marred by injuries or off-field troubles, among other things
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 15:42:46 GMT -5
The goal of these sim leagues is to recreate reality and make the all-time greats in reality the all-time greats here, right? And then see how much better their careers could have been than they actually were. That's always been my #1 interest in participating in sim leagues, even slightly above just winning and competing. This is my way as a baseball junkie to re-live the past and see what could have happened to certain players, whose careers were marred by injuries or off-field troubles, among other things I don't think that's the goal. Chris and Matt have always done a great job of putting the draft together and making the final decisions on ratings. Shale goes off on his tangents and over-rates almost everyone he likes (especially old Mets) and we have this argument over and over. It won't stop. (Yes Shale, we all know about what you're working with over there, you won't let us forget). |
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Post by bigmark on Jun 25, 2015 15:43:31 GMT -5
Statistical reality according to BaseballReference.com You can put up numbers all you want with their stats...whatever the system Braves and Cubs use gives them their ratings is where their talents should stick unless bumped up via points etc. This league becoming very talent heavy as is already. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:44:45 GMT -5
The goal of these sim leagues is to recreate reality and make the all-time greats in reality the all-time greats here, right? And then see how much better their careers could have been than they actually were. That's always been my #1 interest in participating in sim leagues, even slightly above just winning and competing. This is my way as a baseball junkie to re-live the past and see what could have happened to certain players, whose careers were marred by injuries or off-field troubles, among other things I don't think that's the goal. Chris and Matt have always done a great job of putting the draft together and making the final decisions on ratings. Shale goes off on his tangents and over-rates almost everyone he likes (especially old Mets) and we have this argument over and over. It won't stop. (Yes Shale, we all know about what you're working with over there, you won't let us forget). How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. How are pitchers hits rated in any league ever? Career Hits/9 ratings How are pitchers homers rated in any league ever? Career HR/9 ratings And same for walks and strikeouts and there is no other possible way to determine any of that stuff |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:45:25 GMT -5
Statistical reality according to BaseballReference.com You can put up numbers all you want with their stats...whatever the system Braves and Cubs use gives them their ratings is where their talents should stick unless bumped up via points etc. This league becoming very talent heavy as is already. A top 5 all-time pitcher should be rated as such and there is no way to dispute that. Seaver will have at least 3-4 brilliant talents because he was that good and that deserving. |
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Post by bigmark on Jun 25, 2015 15:46:46 GMT -5
You can put up numbers all you want with their stats...whatever the system Braves and Cubs use gives them their ratings is where their talents should stick unless bumped up via points etc. This league becoming very talent heavy as is already. A top 5 all-time pitcher should be rated as such and there is no way to dispute that. Seaver will have at least 3-4 brilliant talents because he was that good and that deserving. if the system used to garner his talents do that then ok sure....but if just fanboy talk then no. |
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