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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -5
Matt just doesn't want Seaver to be amazing because he knows that if he is, to go along with the young stacked team I will have in a few seasons, I'm gonna steamroll the NL East for a long time and he wants the NL East all to himself.
If anyone has a personal motive with all this, it's Matt.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:47:22 GMT -5
A top 5 all-time pitcher should be rated as such and there is no way to dispute that. Seaver will have at least 3-4 brilliant talents because he was that good and that deserving. if the system used to garner his talents do that then ok sure....but if just fanboy talk then no. This is no fanboy talk...this is the truth |
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Post by bigmark on Jun 25, 2015 15:48:08 GMT -5
if the system used to garner his talents do that then ok sure....but if just fanboy talk then no. This is no fanboy talk...this is the truth No you are just well known for always wanted to over inflate talents every time a draft comes along |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:49:10 GMT -5
And the system does reward the brilliant hits, homers and strikeouts, plus the doubles, which like I said before, automatically happen if the hits and homers are both brilliant to begin with
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:49:38 GMT -5
This is no fanboy talk...this is the truth No you are just well known for always wanted to over inflate talents every time a draft comes along I now have a better understanding of ratings here so I'm no longer inflating any of that shit |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5
I don't think that's the goal. Chris and Matt have always done a great job of putting the draft together and making the final decisions on ratings. Shale goes off on his tangents and over-rates almost everyone he likes (especially old Mets) and we have this argument over and over. It won't stop. (Yes Shale, we all know about what you're working with over there, you won't let us forget). How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. How are pitchers hits rated in any league ever? Career Hits/9 ratings How are pitchers homers rated in any league ever? Career HR/9 ratings And same for walks and strikeouts and there is no other possible way to determine any of that stuff Yes, there is. And I think you are wrong on the hits. If you pull up the chart at the top of the HOFFBL website, it's done by opponents' batting average against. And that is WAY more telling than hits/9 innings. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 15:54:36 GMT -5
Matt just doesn't want Seaver to be amazing because he knows that if he is, to go along with the young stacked team I will have in a few seasons, I'm gonna steamroll the NL East for a long time and he wants the NL East all to himself. If anyone has a personal motive with all this, it's Matt. You will not steamroll the East. I'd bet on that. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:55:17 GMT -5
How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. How are pitchers hits rated in any league ever? Career Hits/9 ratings How are pitchers homers rated in any league ever? Career HR/9 ratings And same for walks and strikeouts and there is no other possible way to determine any of that stuff Yes, there is. And I think you are wrong on the hits. If you pull up the chart at the top of the HOFFBL website, it's done by opponents' batting average against. And that is WAY more telling than hits/9 innings. BaseballReference.com doesn't show batting average against, so there is no way to know what it is. If another site actually shows these stats, please tell me that site so I can investigate. |
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Post by Darryl on Jun 25, 2015 15:55:09 GMT -5
I don't think that's the goal. Chris and Matt have always done a great job of putting the draft together and making the final decisions on ratings. Shale goes off on his tangents and over-rates almost everyone he likes (especially old Mets) and we have this argument over and over. It won't stop. (Yes Shale, we all know about what you're working with over there, you won't let us forget). How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. How are pitchers hits rated in any league ever? Career Hits/9 ratings How are pitchers homers rated in any league ever? Career HR/9 ratings And same for walks and strikeouts and there is no other possible way to determine any of that stuff Any league ever...no. Just because you say something doesn't make it a reality. There are other ways and stats to determine players rating. Now just because they don't work out to every player you want being brilliant across the board oh well. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 15:55:17 GMT -5
How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. We aren't using your guidelines, we are using HOFFBL's. You can find them at the top of the website. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:55:37 GMT -5
Matt just doesn't want Seaver to be amazing because he knows that if he is, to go along with the young stacked team I will have in a few seasons, I'm gonna steamroll the NL East for a long time and he wants the NL East all to himself. If anyone has a personal motive with all this, it's Matt. You will not steamroll the East. I'd bet on that. By 1968-1969, I will. Definitely. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 15:56:04 GMT -5
How am I overrating anyone? Every single rating I've ever suggested has been thoroughly fair according to the guidelines I have always used. How are pitchers hits rated in any league ever? Career Hits/9 ratings How are pitchers homers rated in any league ever? Career HR/9 ratings And same for walks and strikeouts and there is no other possible way to determine any of that stuff Any league ever...no. Just because you say something doesn't make it a reality. There are other ways and stats to determine players rating. Now just because they don't work out to every player you want being brilliant across the board oh well. So how the hell do you rate pitchers? The only site that gives these stats is BaseballReference.com... |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 15:57:44 GMT -5
I probably won't ever have Nolan Ryan, but I will be disappointed if he only has a fair in walks, which will essentially ruin him from becoming 1 of the greats Why? I had to use a Commish given gift to get Koufax up to the level he is, and I'm pretty sure he had a regular PD as well, but I cannot remember for sure. If Nolan Ryan is Fair in Walks, than the team that drafts him will simply have to do some work. Without seeing the numbers, I'd probably give him B/G/B/A/B. That seems most in line with what I've seen so far. |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 15:58:33 GMT -5
Matt just doesn't want Seaver to be amazing because he knows that if he is, to go along with the young stacked team I will have in a few seasons, I'm gonna steamroll the NL East for a long time and he wants the NL East all to himself. If anyone has a personal motive with all this, it's Matt. I could give a flying shit less about it personally. I'm happy with the team that I built. Unlike someone in this conversation (you if you're wondering), I don't have to lose on purpose for seasons straight to build a team. Never have, never will. Anyone could have your "stacked team" by getting top 10 picks for 4-6 seasons straight. Then, while sucking and being in a market the size of NY, you can overspend on big name FA that happen to make it to the market. So take your personal motive and shove it up your ass. |
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Post by Darryl on Jun 25, 2015 15:58:57 GMT -5
Any league ever...no. Just because you say something doesn't make it a reality. There are other ways and stats to determine players rating. Now just because they don't work out to every player you want being brilliant across the board oh well. So how the hell do you rate pitchers? The only site that gives these stats is BaseballReference.com... We use the stats we always used. We don't use your per 9 inning beacause they don't carry well across ERAs. And also Baseball reference does show opponent batting average against pitchers from about the 1940s on. |
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 16:00:48 GMT -5
And the system does reward the brilliant hits, homers and strikeouts, plus the doubles, which like I said before, automatically happen if the hits and homers are both brilliant to begin with I already showed you that this is wrong. That, or Koufax didn't start with a B in Hits. |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 16:01:00 GMT -5
And as long as the rotation I've got now is in tact, I'll bet against you steamrolling the NL East.
You might win a few, but steamrolling won't happen.
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 16:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by soonerfantu on Jun 25, 2015 16:02:01 GMT -5
You will not steamroll the East. I'd bet on that. By 1968-1969, I will. Definitely. We should make a friendly wager. Something involving board points. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 16:02:35 GMT -5
Matt just doesn't want Seaver to be amazing because he knows that if he is, to go along with the young stacked team I will have in a few seasons, I'm gonna steamroll the NL East for a long time and he wants the NL East all to himself. If anyone has a personal motive with all this, it's Matt. I could give a flying shit less about it personally. I'm happy with the team that I built. Unlike someone in this conversation (you if you're wondering), I don't have to lose on purpose for seasons straight to build a team. Never have, never will. Anyone could have your "stacked team" by getting top 10 picks for 4-6 seasons straight. Then, while sucking and being in a market the size of NY, you can overspend on big name FA that happen to make it to the market. So take your personal motive and shove it up your ass. Let's be fair. You started with an awesome Braves team in BBSBL, and you started with a pretty damn good team here as well. That's why you never had to go full tank mode because you always had pieces to compete. Had you started off with weaker major league teams, you would've gone about it differently if you had half a brain. |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 16:02:53 GMT -5
Shame on you guys for doing research and finding these things out! You're ruining his argument!
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 16:03:01 GMT -5
And the system does reward the brilliant hits, homers and strikeouts, plus the doubles, which like I said before, automatically happen if the hits and homers are both brilliant to begin with I already showed you that this is wrong. That, or Koufax didn't start with a B in Hits. Chris told me that that's how it works when I asked him a while ago. Don't know what else to say. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jun 25, 2015 16:03:59 GMT -5
Shame on you guys for doing research and finding these things out! You're ruining his argument! lol what research? |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 16:05:44 GMT -5
I could give a flying shit less about it personally. I'm happy with the team that I built. Unlike someone in this conversation (you if you're wondering), I don't have to lose on purpose for seasons straight to build a team. Never have, never will. Anyone could have your "stacked team" by getting top 10 picks for 4-6 seasons straight. Then, while sucking and being in a market the size of NY, you can overspend on big name FA that happen to make it to the market. So take your personal motive and shove it up your ass. Let's be fair. You started with an awesome Braves team in BBSBL, and you started with a pretty damn good team here as well. That's why you never had to go full tank mode because you always had pieces to compete. Had you started off with weaker major league teams, you would've gone about it differently if you had half a brain. And what happened to those pieces? They got old and I had to retool. I'm sorry I'm competitive and can't suck on purpose losing. Check my Expos and Brewers history in GABL. That's the league I spent the longest time in and had to retool. No tanking involved. If I had half a brain, I'd still find a way to field a team other than being shitty. What does sucking for 5 years straight bring to the league besides us knowing who's going to get a top pick? Not a damn thing. |
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Post by Matt on Jun 25, 2015 16:06:28 GMT -5
Shame on you guys for doing research and finding these things out! You're ruining his argument! lol what research? Finding other websites that have the stats you're whining don't exist anywhere. |
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