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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2019 12:35:59 GMT -5
I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. Forgot about that. So yes, give him loyal. My question (for whichever team he ends up on) what about Albert? Definitely not loyal to STL, but 2 organizations for his career? |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 12:44:09 GMT -5
If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. Forgot about that. So yes, give him loyal. My question (for whichever team he ends up on) what about Albert? Definitely not loyal to STL, but 2 organizations for his career? Once again. Is Pujols loyal to the Angels because his contract is completely untradeable? Who knows. That's why it really should be based on numbers. It's a statistical sim engine let's used stats. 10 years = loyal. 12 years. 15. 20. Whatever. But it's way easier then deciding why players stayed somewhere for 15 years and whether it's a true 15. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 13:31:19 GMT -5
having first overall sucks....i gotta choose between all these players i like. Canadian boy Walker, Robbie "catch the juice" Alomar....Randy "Big Unit" Johnson..... ugh... by the way johnson should be sick...maybe average in walks but other than that straight B's he was good at keeping the ball in the park, not brilliant. Even if you take hit top 5 war seasons on simple math he was .75 HR/9. I thought he was going to be too (B for HR) and went to argue it, until I did a lot of analysis to prove he should be, and found nothing to justify it. |
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Post by Danchevy on Jan 29, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
having first overall sucks....i gotta choose between all these players i like. Canadian boy Walker, Robbie "catch the juice" Alomar....Randy "Big Unit" Johnson..... ugh... by the way johnson should be sick...maybe average in walks but other than that straight B's he was good at keeping the ball in the park, not brilliant. Even if you take hit top 5 war seasons on simple math he was .75 HR/9. I thought he was going to be too (B for HR) and went to argue it, until I did a lot of analysis to prove he should be, and found nothing to justify it. half the reason i didnt both trying to save to reserve randy. Looked into his numbers and couldnt justify any reason to get him brilliant in homers. Thus not making him as dominate here as he ever was in real life. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 15:11:04 GMT -5
clemens got loyal  Yep... check that years draft discussion...he is definitely not loyal. goes for the cash and whoever is winning. I'm a slightly biased jays fan but i stick by it. apparently I was smoking crack last year and missed that discussion smh  |
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Post by dgfred on Jan 29, 2019 16:41:20 GMT -5
Crack Kills B
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 29, 2019 17:25:34 GMT -5
If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. Bump This just isn't true though. Clemens stayed with his first team until they thought he was cooked and dumped him. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 17:53:56 GMT -5
they forgot to give him roids sooner
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 17:55:46 GMT -5
didn't have time to google when M Barry was in office... guess the joke was a couple years too early for the league time table |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 21:29:54 GMT -5
hmmm... on the fence about Rocket and being loyal... 13 yrs to start a career, before leaving town in the pursuit of money, I'd say is way stronger than 6 and done for the largest contract ever in history. Bonds jumped ship right when people that are minimal loyalty in this league jump ship or stay for record money.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 29, 2019 22:40:16 GMT -5
hmmm... on the fence about Rocket and being loyal... 13 yrs to start a career, before leaving town in the pursuit of money, I'd say is way stronger than 6 and done for the largest contract ever in history. Bonds jumped ship right when people that are minimal loyalty in this league jump ship or stay for record money. He didn't leave town in pursuit of money though. That's why he only got a short deal after. Everyone thought he'd be out of the league by 2000. He signed a 4 year 40 mil deal which wasn't record breaking or anything it just matched the highest paid player of the year before. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 23:09:50 GMT -5
Why hasn't anyone mentioned that Bonds is from Cali and his dad Bobby played with the Giants for the first 7 seasons of his career? Clearly, Bonds wanted to play for his hometown team. Because of that, I made Bonds loyal in both BBSBL (when I was there) and LBB.
Clemens, after the Red Sox spent time with the Jays, Yankees and Astros. Bonds only played for 2 teams. He should be loyal regardless of what Clemens got imo.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 23:11:26 GMT -5
he was good at keeping the ball in the park, not brilliant. Even if you take hit top 5 war seasons on simple math he was .75 HR/9. I thought he was going to be too (B for HR) and went to argue it, until I did a lot of analysis to prove he should be, and found nothing to justify it. half the reason i didnt both trying to save to reserve randy. Looked into his numbers and couldnt justify any reason to get him brilliant in homers. Thus not making him as dominate here as he ever was in real life. Yeah I was disappointed to notice the Big Unit would only get good homers and walks statistically. He in my opinion is the best southpaw pitcher of all-time and by far the most dominant. Sucks, but that's the steroid era for you. Every pitcher got fucked. Mike Hampton is only an A/G/A pitcher and he had a pretty solid career, so this shit is gonna happen more for pitchers through the 80s and 90s. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 23:13:05 GMT -5
I see both sides, he did chase the money, but then he was with the same team for the rest of his career. I say loyal just because he stuck. But then again I say average because he got paid to stick on the same team. Loyalty is too much of an influence in this game sometimes. But then other times minimal guys sign cheap. For me its gotta be a number. We have to just have a statistical set number for all of these ratings because when we get into our opinions on why guys played 15 years somewhere then it's kinda ridiculous. I mean do Jeter Rivera and Posada all play their whole career if they're drafted by Minnesota? No. So they were only loyal cause they went to storied franchise and won. So they arent loyal. See what I mean? Bonds was in SF for 15 years. Loyal. For me 7-8 seasons in a row with 1 team is almost always enough to be considered loyal. There may be a couple exceptions, but Bonds was a Cali guy his whole life. He probably always wanted to play for the Giants and follow his dad's footsteps and you can't blame him. |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 29, 2019 23:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 1:13:53 GMT -5
I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. Once again. We can nitpick reasons for why players choose to play with one team for so long. Sure bonds got paid well. It was also his hometown team. His father and godfather played in SF also. He had a ton of reasons beyond money to stay in SF. To blatantly quantify that money was the most important factor is impossible. Like I said before, it cant be an emotional reasoning. It needs to be a number. And if 15 isnt a big enough number then loyal really shouldnt be given out unless its 100% of career. This. I think Bonds is an absolute trash human being, but he went to and stayed in SF because of Mays primarily, and also his father to a lesser extent having played there. I think he was loyal to the Giants. He should be AVG at the very least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 1:17:14 GMT -5
I think Grace at least deserves consideration as BR in hits. He hit higher than .309 8 different seasons. Didn't he lead all of baseball in hits in the 90's? Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 1:18:40 GMT -5
On a per 550 AB basis isn't Mike Macfarlane GOOD in HR's? Gregg Jefferies had a lifetime .344 OBP. Only AVG in BB's? Unless you're dinging him for having so few ML AB's, Hector Villanueva should be GOOD in HR's, he had 25 in 473 career AB's. Probably FAIR in K's.
I think the SPEED ratings are off on a few guys, not sure if you care. Gilkey was faster than C, not a great thief though. Same with Devereaux and Jeff Huson
Jeff Brantley's nickname is Cowboy if you care
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Post by Spencer on Jan 30, 2019 1:42:28 GMT -5
He grew up here. It's his hometown.
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Post by Reddington on Jan 30, 2019 16:05:11 GMT -5
I think Grace at least deserves consideration as BR in hits. He hit higher than .309 8 different seasons. Didn't he lead all of baseball in hits in the 90's? Just a thought. yes Grace should be Brill hits. If you look at 1989-1999 (11 years) his avg was over .310 You remove his one bad year (1991 (still 5500+ AB's)) and his avg jumps to .315 for 10 yrs |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 30, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -5
pretty close (just over the 20/550 margin... the question is, should it be based on 550 or 600?) when you look at his top 9 seasons
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Post by Reddington on Jan 30, 2019 17:08:30 GMT -5
I disagree, barely 1 full season in games played real life does not equal making him good for a lifetime in the league
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 30, 2019 22:08:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the input so far; made the following changes:
Bonds: Loyal and 3B to Good
Smoltz: Pitches
Grace: Hits to Brilliant
Gilkey: Speed to B
Dev: Speed to B
Huson: Speed to C
Thought Jefferies' Walks at Average is right; no change.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 30, 2019 22:11:14 GMT -5
New file and pages will be up shortly. I've completed some gripes and did all of the relevant pitchers. I just need to do the DH's and the lonely relievers that Shale deleted from his file. Probably done Friday.
Will post Off-Season Schedule shortly.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 30, 2019 22:45:06 GMT -5
I'm all about efficiency for drafts. Usually the players that had very brief careers and especially those that never made MLB I would always delete to save time.
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