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Post by CSCommish on Jan 25, 2019 15:47:37 GMT -5
HI
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 25, 2019 18:49:09 GMT -5
what is happening with atlantas pick |
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 25, 2019 19:24:06 GMT -5
Damn. Break is relentless.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 25, 2019 20:25:16 GMT -5
what is happening with atlantas pick I have few issues with this. Whatever the penalty, it'll be the first of its kind (as opposed to not pushing your pick back for Clemens or being more harsh on you/Stool in season's past). In any case, I have talked to Brian --- he understands my position on this and respects my decision, which is as follows: - I looked back on prior sims and it would appear that the "really bad" lineups were put in place for 3 sims during September. Based on their record during those 3 sims, I would estimate that the team should have 1 or 2 additional wins in September. Ironically, the team did WORSE after I fixed the lineup. So perhaps the revised estimate would result in 1 or 2 additional LOSSES? I guess the starters were cold? Who knows. Let's assume 1 or 2 additional wins for the moment. - There were a couple sketchy starters throughout the season (sounds familiar Break?). It would be impossible to estimate this. Maybe 5 or 6 additional wins? - Brian also made it clear he was trying to sell and was only able to move Gullett I think. I'm sure he would have done more if he needed to. - So, instead of just estimating how many wins he may have tossed, I am going to use the Fan Expectations of 95 wins --- which assumed Gullett the entire season. - Using the 95 wins, we're looking at the Braves' picks (in all 3 rounds) being dropped from 17th to 21st. The Astros, Indians, Phillies and Yankees (thanks!) will all move up a spot. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 25, 2019 20:28:35 GMT -5
Tired of the comparisons tbh. What I did and what stool did weren't even the same thing either. I have played the best players available on my team at all times. Not signing FA for ONE season after trading anyone of value isn't at all the same as sitting your star players to lose.
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 25, 2019 20:31:45 GMT -5
To a point I agree --- I see it both ways. Not signing a single guy for one season vs. sitting guys for part of the season. Which is worse than the other? You and stool may have ended up getting the same pick, so I did nothing. Although I was concerned 130 losses means affecting draft position for several teams in the respective leagues. Brian's clearly affect draft position, but apparently only in the scale of a couple picks. Here, I decided to put my foot down.
In any case, it stops here. I do not want to talk about this anymore.
New rules coming shortly.
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Post by Sha-Le Unique on Jan 25, 2019 21:36:28 GMT -5
what is happening with atlantas pick I have few issues with this. Whatever the penalty, it'll be the first of its kind (as opposed to not pushing your pick back for Clemens or being more harsh on you/Stool in season's past). In any case, I have talked to Brian --- he understands my position on this and respects my decision, which is as follows: - I looked back on prior sims and it would appear that the "really bad" lineups were put in place for 3 sims during September. Based on their record during those 3 sims, I would estimate that the team should have 1 or 2 additional wins in September. Ironically, the team did WORSE after I fixed the lineup. So perhaps the revised estimate would result in 1 or 2 additional LOSSES? I guess the starters were cold? Who knows. Let's assume 1 or 2 additional wins for the moment. - There were a couple sketchy starters throughout the season (sounds familiar Break?). It would be impossible to estimate this. Maybe 5 or 6 additional wins? - Brian also made it clear he was trying to sell and was only able to move Gullett I think. I'm sure he would have done more if he needed to. - So, instead of just estimating how many wins he may have tossed, I am going to use the Fan Expectations of 95 wins --- which assumed Gullett the entire season. - Using the 95 wins, we're looking at the Braves' picks (in all 3 rounds) being dropped from 17th to 21st. The Astros, Indians, Phillies and Yankees (thanks!) will all move up a spot. Yeah he moved Gullett to me for my 85 1st, which was a bargain I couldn’t refuse lol |
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Post by CSCommish on Jan 29, 2019 8:19:28 GMT -5
Updated file/pages to show ammy draft progress --- all of the relevant batters and closers are done. I just need to do starters and relievers (hopefully tonight), and then go back to give some life to all of the DH's (players Shale deleted in his file lol).
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 9:35:11 GMT -5
Gripes here? Ok.
Pretty happy with Bonds. I'd like a bump to loyal tho since he was in SF for 15 years. Makes sense to me.
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 9:41:49 GMT -5
Gripes here? Ok. Pretty happy with Bonds. I'd like a bump to loyal tho since he was in SF for 15 years. Makes sense to me. he ran for the money and was one of the top paid players, so seems like someone chasing money to me. my 2 cents |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 9:51:53 GMT -5
Gripes here? Ok. Pretty happy with Bonds. I'd like a bump to loyal tho since he was in SF for 15 years. Makes sense to me. he ran for the money and was one of the top paid players, so seems like someone chasing money to me. my 2 cents K. Ty. Helpful. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 9:52:22 GMT -5
smoltz is missing some pitches
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 9:58:16 GMT -5
he ran for the money and was one of the top paid players, so seems like someone chasing money to me. my 2 cents K. Ty. Helpful. just my opinion, was commenting on it's hard not to be loyal if you're one of the top paid players ever. He's number 18 on the list of most money made in baseball, and everyone ahead of him started almost a decade later www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/leaders_salaries.shtml |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 10:00:08 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 10:10:50 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. no, I'm saying it's not as indicative as some of the others that stayed places and weren't the highest paid player of all time at the time they retired. that's it, I'm done, sorry my opinion wasn't what you wanted to hear, or that I had any reason to have that opinion. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 10:12:15 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. no, I'm saying it's not as indicative as some of the others that stayed places and weren't the highest paid player of all time at the time they retired. that's it, I'm done, sorry my opinion wasn't what you wanted to hear, or that I had any reason to have that opinion. Our opinions are both here for everyone to see. Chris will decide. As it should be. |
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2019 10:45:10 GMT -5
I see both sides, he did chase the money, but then he was with the same team for the rest of his career.
I say loyal just because he stuck. But then again I say average because he got paid to stick on the same team.
Loyalty is too much of an influence in this game sometimes. But then other times minimal guys sign cheap.
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 10:48:31 GMT -5
I see both sides, he did chase the money, but then he was with the same team for the rest of his career. I say loyal just because he stuck. But then again I say average because he got paid to stick on the same team. Loyalty is too much of an influence in this game sometimes. But then other times minimal guys sign cheap. For me its gotta be a number. We have to just have a statistical set number for all of these ratings because when we get into our opinions on why guys played 15 years somewhere then it's kinda ridiculous. I mean do Jeter Rivera and Posada all play their whole career if they're drafted by Minnesota? No. So they were only loyal cause they went to storied franchise and won. So they arent loyal. See what I mean? Bonds was in SF for 15 years. Loyal. |
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Jan 29, 2019 11:28:02 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. |
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Post by bigmark on Jan 29, 2019 11:50:40 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. |
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Post by Reddington on Jan 29, 2019 11:52:25 GMT -5
I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. clemens got loyal  |
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Post by bigmark on Jan 29, 2019 11:54:23 GMT -5
If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. clemens got loyal Yep... check that years draft discussion...he is definitely not loyal. goes for the cash and whoever is winning. I'm a slightly biased jays fan but i stick by it. |
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Post by bigmark on Jan 29, 2019 11:58:15 GMT -5
having first overall sucks....i gotta choose between all these players i like. Canadian boy Walker, Robbie "catch the juice" Alomar....Randy "Big Unit" Johnson..... ugh... by the way johnson should be sick...maybe average in walks but other than that straight B's
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 12:31:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. If we gave Clemens loyal. Bonds deserves loyal even more. Bump |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 29, 2019 12:34:41 GMT -5
So him spending 15 years somewhere is irrelevant in your opinion because he made lots of money there? I get it. Ty for your valuable input. I don't think it's called loyalty to stay with the place that's going to keep paying you the most. That's called business. Once again. We can nitpick reasons for why players choose to play with one team for so long. Sure bonds got paid well. It was also his hometown team. His father and godfather played in SF also. He had a ton of reasons beyond money to stay in SF. To blatantly quantify that money was the most important factor is impossible. Like I said before, it cant be an emotional reasoning. It needs to be a number. And if 15 isnt a big enough number then loyal really shouldnt be given out unless its 100% of career. |
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