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Post by Reddington on Aug 12, 2019 17:53:11 GMT -5
21 Bril Hit Bril HR batters
That's a lot.
21 B/B guys? Seems like there should be 5-6 tops - even that's high.
How many of those 21 are in the majors? What are there stats?
some of them are flukes of positive PD's like Ricky Henderson, and others are part of the XMas bonus where you can buy a bril increase, and some are the recent thing Chris put up to make up for Sosa. |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2019 17:56:42 GMT -5
Ill be honest. The key is starting pitching. BRILL hit SPs should be valued high. You need BRILl hit SPs or SPs with 3 BRILLS at 2B HR and BB. If you dont have 4 9 AR + SPs you aint winning anything. And that isn't a problem? I don't expect crazy low ERA's, but when guys rated Good are horrible, there's an issue. I mean when I get PM's asking if I want to basically dump Saberhagen and Witt because they're not performing, where has the value gone? |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2019 17:59:21 GMT -5
But once again, its relative. We all play under the same rules and have all been around enough to acquire these types of players. Tweaking the rating system for rookies now wont fix anything. You're right. I have. And when you've got those Brilliant pitchers that are making 15-20 million or more a year, you handicap half of the league because they can't afford them. I had Eck for almost 2 seasons and I'm still working deals to move payroll and make some cash back. |
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Post by Spencer on Aug 12, 2019 17:59:54 GMT -5
Ill be honest. The key is starting pitching. BRILL hit SPs should be valued high. You need BRILl hit SPs or SPs with 3 BRILLS at 2B HR and BB. If you dont have 4 9 AR + SPs you aint winning anything. And that isn't a problem? I don't expect crazy low ERA's, but when guys rated Good are horrible, there's an issue. I mean when I get PM's asking if I want to basically dump Saberhagen and Witt because they're not performing, where has the value gone? Itd be a problem if every team had 4 BRILL HITS SPs and they all became irrelevant. Its about tiers. You need to overspend to acquire the top tier guys. The first 30 years I didnt want to overspend for aces. Then early this decade I did and it paid off. Now I know I need those BRILL guys to compete. Pay the price and get some. |
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Post by Spencer on Aug 12, 2019 18:44:42 GMT -5
BTW you have 5 titles. How was your pitching for those 5? Had Gibson for most of them. But don't think I ever had more than 2 B pitchers...but that has been a while so I'd have to check. Looks like you had Drysdale and Gibson for 2. They were 2 of the best pitchers of all time.
I think if you have 2 aces you dont need 4 brilliant guys.
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Post by Reddington on Aug 12, 2019 19:19:16 GMT -5
Had Gibson for most of them. But don't think I ever had more than 2 B pitchers...but that has been a while so I'd have to check. Looks like you had Drysdale and Gibson for 2. They were 2 of the best pitchers of all time.
I think if you have 2 aces you dont need 4 brilliant guys.
yeah his first two were kinda gimmies as he had the stacked StL team, before there had been a chance for the league to evolve. now the 70, 73, and 80 WS, those would be the ones to see what the makeup of his team was. I know for my win I had Housman and Seaver, and both went 4-0 for the playoffs with insane low ERA's. I also had Fulgham and Matlack to round out my 4 bril hit SP's for the year |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2019 19:33:18 GMT -5
Looks like you had Drysdale and Gibson for 2. They were 2 of the best pitchers of all time.
I think if you have 2 aces you dont need 4 brilliant guys.
yeah his first two were kinda gimmies as he had the stacked StL team, before there had been a chance for the league to evolve. now the 70, 73, and 80 WS, those would be the ones to see what the makeup of his team was. I know for my win I had Housman and Seaver, and both went 4-0 for the playoffs with insane low ERA's. I also had Fulgham and Matlack to round out my 4 bril hit SP's for the year Haha. I love that. Gimmies? Yeah. Ok. |
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2019 19:39:13 GMT -5
And that isn't a problem? I don't expect crazy low ERA's, but when guys rated Good are horrible, there's an issue. I mean when I get PM's asking if I want to basically dump Saberhagen and Witt because they're not performing, where has the value gone? Itd be a problem if every team had 4 BRILL HITS SPs and they all became irrelevant. Its about tiers. You need to overspend to acquire the top tier guys. The first 30 years I didnt want to overspend for aces. Then early this decade I did and it paid off. Now I know I need those BRILL guys to compete. Pay the price and get some. From which of the teams that have them that are competing? And if they're not competing they're young guys that they won't trade anyway. Only way to get a Brilliant SP these days is to draft, get lucky in FA when someone doesn't resign (like I did with Price) or get lucky with a PD with Fernando. Otherwise you're SOL and will always be a 2nd tier team. CWS, NYY, SEA, TEX, ATL, NYM, PIT, LA and SF have a big chuck of them. They're all competing teams. WHich one of them is going to trade a B SP to me when I'm fighting for playoff spots with them? And the top 5 teams have payrolls that probably over half of the league can't touch. |
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Post by Spencer on Aug 12, 2019 19:47:34 GMT -5
Itd be a problem if every team had 4 BRILL HITS SPs and they all became irrelevant. Its about tiers. You need to overspend to acquire the top tier guys. The first 30 years I didnt want to overspend for aces. Then early this decade I did and it paid off. Now I know I need those BRILL guys to compete. Pay the price and get some. From which of the teams that have them that are competing? And if they're not competing they're young guys that they won't trade anyway. Only way to get a Brilliant SP these days is to draft, get lucky in FA when someone doesn't resign (like I did with Price) or get lucky with a PD with Fernando. Otherwise you're SOL and will always be a 2nd tier team. CWS, NYY, SEA, TEX, ATL, NYM, PIT, LA and SF have a big chuck of them. They're all competing teams. WHich one of them is going to trade a B SP to me when I'm fighting for playoff spots with them? And the top 5 teams have payrolls that probably over half of the league can't touch.
Id trade anyone for the right price. But yes, Im not gonna trade them for a package YOU value is fair. Im gonna trade them for a package I feel is fair. Because they are at a premium.
I traded for 2 BRILL SP this offseason. And neither was that expensive.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 12, 2019 19:50:26 GMT -5
I also traded for Gullett and Richard during my last rebuild and I overpaid for both. And I won a lot of games with them.
IMO I played that situation wrong because I didnt line up my rebuild with Bonds the first time. But that was my mistake. I still had GUllett and Richard at their peak.
Also peak BRILL SPs arent 23 or 24, theyre 29 30 and 31. THats when they usually dominate.
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Post by Matt on Aug 12, 2019 20:00:54 GMT -5
As for payroll you make your market. Any of us can build a stadium, increase revenue and trade for cash. I can't change anything to increase my market. Those are set. My fan base was near the max and I couldn't get past 85 million payroll. |
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Post by Reddington on Aug 12, 2019 20:04:42 GMT -5
yeah his first two were kinda gimmies as he had the stacked StL team, before there had been a chance for the league to evolve. now the 70, 73, and 80 WS, those would be the ones to see what the makeup of his team was. I know for my win I had Housman and Seaver, and both went 4-0 for the playoffs with insane low ERA's. I also had Fulgham and Matlack to round out my 4 bril hit SP's for the year Haha. I love that. Gimmies? Yeah. Ok. kinda was the adverb used in front, and are you saying the StL team that started the league wasn't stacked? I mean it only had 6 all stars on it that year (3 of which made the HOF) |
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Post by Reddington on Aug 12, 2019 20:07:53 GMT -5
As for payroll you make your market. Any of us can build a stadium, increase revenue and trade for cash. I can't change anything to increase my market. Those are set. My fan base was near the max and I couldn't get past 85 million payroll. notice the difference pre 77 and post 77 for revenue.... Year Wins Losses PCT Pos Attendance Revenue Payroll Profit/Loss
1987 102 60 .630 1 4541536 $91,810,741 $71,109,812 $20,700,929
1986 104 58 .642 1 4774224 $91,017,477 $94,466,255 $-3,448,778
1985 113 49 .698 1 4558583 $95,861,449 $92,766,483 $3,094,966
1984 88 74 .543 3 4775916 $87,754,461 $76,119,036 $11,635,425
1983 116 46 .716 1 4780951 $93,955,537 $80,111,379 $13,844,158
1982 106 56 .654 1 4807869 $95,302,727 $81,926,026 $13,376,701
1981 113 49 .698 1 4746611 $94,249,078 $72,668,172 $21,580,906
1980 93 69 .574 1 4570545 $88,280,884 $44,740,418 $43,540,466
1979 97 65 .599 1 4539891 $88,482,579 $57,755,668 $30,726,911
1978 78 84 .481 2 4108049 $80,913,971 $50,933,902 $29,980,069
1977 87 75 .537 1 3630880 $73,406,563 $47,745,543 $25,661,020
1976 80 82 .494 3 2728720 $66,638,011 $83,344,198 $-16,706,187
1975 77 85 .475 2 2420983 $63,227,383 $68,226,264 $-4,998,881
1974 78 84 .481 3 2961727 $71,730,553 $85,106,410 $-13,375,857
1973 83 79 .512 3 3132204 $73,726,445 $62,934,053 $10,792,392
1972 84 78 .519 2 3634267 $79,318,557 $91,596,649 $-12,278,092
1971 96 66 .593 2 3582995 $78,655,620 $81,456,923 $-2,801,303
1970 91 71 .562 2 3456486 $77,130,062 $93,866,282 $-16,736,220
1969 97 65 .599 1 3575286 $78,306,598 $64,166,379 $14,140,219
1968 83 79 .512 4 3320833 $75,397,379 $70,657,948 $4,739,431
1967 91 71 .562 2 3449735 $76,795,365 $73,512,874 $3,282,491
1966 88 74 .543 2 3317869 $67,726,101 $59,057,624 $8,668,477
1965 86 76 .531 3 3099669 $65,208,845 $64,440,347 $768,498
1964 91 71 .562 2 3102753 $64,643,426 $65,068,123 $-424,697
1963 90 72 .556 2 3105832 $65,065,748 $64,719,910 $345,838
1962 98 64 .605 2 3064292 $61,056,494 $66,114,298 $-5,057,804
1961 93 69 .574 2 2947156 $57,292,545 $48,501,680 $8,790,865
1960 75 79 .487 2 2456123 $51,964,897 $56,172,630 $-4,207,733
1959 69 85 .448 3 3174806 $61,691,157 $64,989,054 $-3,297,897
1958 85 69 .552 2 3343368 $66,758,256 $85,336,758 $-18,578,502
1957 83 71 .539 2 3185149 $66,330,611 $84,408,632 $-18,078,021
1956 95 59 .617 3 3271648 $69,395,568 $84,685,810 $-15,290,242
1955 92 62 .597 2 3227216 $69,731,222 $60,885,748 $8,845,474
1954 93 61 .604 3 3226797 $70,748,112 $53,178,356 $17,569,756
1953 101 53 .656 1 3339302 $67,823,930 $38,361,080 $29,462,850 |
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